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Sunday Services at the Church of Scientology
« on: February 21, 2010, 20:30 »
Did not want to open a new thread just for this, but here is a description of on of the cult's typical "religious services" (according to the ex-Scientologists and the Scientology materials consulted):

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/7-chit-chat/can-one-our-exs-explain-61856/#post1168619

TL;DR: Protesters observed two Scientologists doing an exercise which has been ID'ed as possibly being this one:

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CCH 2- Tone 40 8-C

Description
CCH 2 is Tone 40 8C. The purpose of the process is to demonstrate to the
person that his body can be controlled and thus invite him to control it.
To orient him to his present time environment. To increase his ability to
duplicate and thus increase his havingness.
Absolute processor precision is required with no drops from Tone 40, no
flubs, total present time. The processor on the person's right side. The
processor's body acts as a block to any forward motion when the person
turns. The processor gives the command, if required, with physical contract
of exactly the correct amount of force needed to get the command executed.
The processor does not block the person from executing the commands. Method
of introduction is as in CCH 1. Freezes may be introduced at the end of
cycle, this being after the "Thank you" and before the next command,
maintaining a solid communication line, to ascertain information from the
person or to bridge from the process, this being the acknowledgement "Thank
you" after the command "Turn around."

Tone 40: Tone 40 is giving a command and just knowing that it will be
executed despite any contrary appearances. It means intention without
reservation.


Commands
"You look at that wall."

"Thank you."

"You walk over to that wall."

"Thank you."

"You touch that wall."

"Thank you."

"Turn around."

"Thank you."

Take each new physical change manifested as though it were an origin by the
person, and when it happens, query it by asking "What's happening?" This
two-way communication is not Tone 40. Commands smoothly enforced,
physically when necessary.

This is but one of the many Training Routines / Upper Indocs / types of indoctrination that Scientologists consider to be "religious services." I think POWs are probably "broken down" in similar ways. :(

An enclosed basement would certainly make it less likely that passersby or protesters or neighbors might notice this bizarre behavior and raise questions about it.

Note that the "service" quoted above does not seem to have much to do with religious / spiritual worship (at least IMHO). Interesting.
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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2010, 20:51 »
Scientology has a "Religous service"?  ::) Do all of you remember when the CULT did NOT have that "We have sunday services" sign? I certainly do. How many years was this group in that building on MT Vernon, then Shallowford Rd before one David Miscavige said, Oh Sh-T, We need to make the public feel we have a sunday service just like those real religions.

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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2010, 22:25 »
So that is what all the room is needed for? Bizarre.
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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2010, 23:06 »
Sure I do. When they harassed me in Las Vegas and stalked me to work to try to get me to give them money / attention, they were basically a hole-in-the-wall selling HubBooks, zapping people with voltometers, and thrusting various test forms in your face if you were foolish enough to walk within 20 feet of them. No Sunday Services to be seen, no mention of them, and certainly no room for any kind of gathering. But that was a while back.
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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2010, 06:00 »
February 10, 2008
The sign was not there then:


March 15, 1008
The sign was not there then either:


May 10, 2008
Or then:


December 13, 2008
But it was here then:


Sometime between May and December, the sign was added.  Could it have been because, while unknown to us, the plans were made to file the rezoning application?

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« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2010, 10:23 »
Holy smoke. Pic,s! :o WE all know scientology does NOT have a religious service. How do WE let the general public and city fathers know?

Working with Sea Org Gold base members on several long SUNDAY film days, Nobody ever said to me, Oh wait! I must go to church first.

If scientology locally has a sunday service, then who delivers this service? I do recall a concerned citizen actually going to one of these so called sunday services @ the Dunwoody location. Wish she would post her experience here on this site.

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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2010, 10:41 »
Sometime between May and December, the sign was added.  Could it have been because, while unknown to us, the plans were made to file the rezoning application?

What about an eye-witness account? :D  It wasn't there in October 2008.  It may have been there in November, but I don't specifically remember.  I do, however, remember that when it WAS put up, it was an exciting moment.

Holy smoke. Pic,s! :o WE all know scientology does NOT have a religious service. How do WE let the general public and city fathers know?

IIRC, Arnie Lerma said something about having gone to service at some point.  His exact description was "It's bull(stuff)!" but he did elaborate a bit about it.  Basically, they played a non-incriminating Hubbard lecture on tape, talked about the merits of the tech, and the staffers used it as an excuse to catch a nap.

But there's no way to know the consistency or exact nature of any org's service because it's not really "tech," is it?  I thought it was more a matter of trying to look more church-ish when under scrutiny, or when hoping more people would wander in off the streets ... or something.

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2010, 18:10 »
I'll check and see if I see the Sunday services sign in any of my pix from between May and December.

ETA: OK! Pictures acquired.
Sign same in June, no Sunday Services.

http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/4447/img0520zv.jpg
June again:


http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/3108/img0502j.jpg

Didn't get any shots across the street in July, but that's OK: in August, Sunday Services sign still not there.
August:
http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/3880/img0685t.jpg
August again:
 http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/7048/img0686bq.jpg

No other pix of the sign in my files from 2008; sorry.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 18:49 »
Anyone present at August through December protests that got shots of the sign?
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Re: Sunday Services at the Church of Scientology
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2010, 21:31 »
Did not want to open a new thread just for this

It deserves its own thread! 

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Re: Sunday Services at the Church of Scientology
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2010, 01:40 »
Well, alrighty, then. :)
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Re: Sunday Services at the Church of Scientology
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2010, 05:58 »
What about an eye-witness account? :D  It wasn't there in October 2008.  It may have been there in November, but I don't specifically remember.  I do, however, remember that when it WAS put up, it was an exciting moment.

Then maybe it was in December, since I specifically took a picture of it that month.

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IIRC, Arnie Lerma said something about having gone to service at some point.  His exact description was "It's bull(stuff)!" but he did elaborate a bit about it.  Basically, they played a non-incriminating Hubbard lecture on tape, talked about the merits of the tech, and the staffers used it as an excuse to catch a nap.

He talked about being there the day they dragged in the collars and crosses. 

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But there's no way to know the consistency or exact nature of any org's service because it's not really "tech," is it?  I thought it was more a matter of trying to look more church-ish when under scrutiny, or when hoping more people would wander in off the streets ... or something.

It is.
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