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Tunnels under road ferry Golden Era workers (The Valley Chronicle)
29 August 2009, 12:06 pm

Scientology spokeswoman Catherine Fraser conceded this week that workers at Golden Era Productions can pass from one side of Gilman Springs Road to the other without crossing Gilman Springs Road.

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So what kind of building permit did they have for that? 
This should not be knew news.  All of this should be on record at the building permit department (whatever its called)  and actually easy to find a record of it.  I'm curious if this is a safe tunnel and etc


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The tunnel isn't new news, but it's tied in with scientology wanting to close Gilman Springs Road, the highway that splits the two pieces of Gold Base, which isn't totally new news either, but it sorta is.  Scientology tried to say they wanted it closed because it's dangerous for their workers (and other pedestrians) to cross.  Everyone familiar with it knows they want it closed so no one can picket outside of Gold, but even the scientologists realize they can't say that, so they tried to lie about the reason, and got caught in it, when it came out that there were tunnels underneath the road.   (I love it when their lies are caught and published!)

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GILMAN SPRINGS: Supervisor’s aide says Golden Era would need community leaders’ OK.
By CHARLES HAND/The Valley Chronicle
Published: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:31 PM CDT
Whatever happens with Gilman Springs Road, it will not happen at county expense, says Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone’s chief aide, Verne Lauritzen.

Representatives of the Scientology compound that is bisected by Gilman Springs Road between Highway 79 and Soboba Road have approached some public officials, including Stone, about closing off that segment of the road.

“They have contacted us a number of times,” Lauritzen said, “but they are on their own for funding. The county doesn’t have any money.”

Lauritzen said closing off the road would also need the approval of officials in the communities in the area that would be affected by such a closure.

Some members of the San Jacinto City Council have made it clear they would not support it.

Lauritzen also said the county would not initiate any attempt to close off the road.

Golden Era Productions spokeswoman Cathy Fraser said last week that the issue is safety. There has been a number of accidents along that portion of Gilman Springs Road, she said.

If safety is an issue, said Lauritzen, the Scientologists may want to install traffic calming devices.

Both Fraser and opponents of the closure cite the Valley’s congestion as support.

Fraser said the increased traffic through and across the Valley requires a wider road than the two-lane Gilman Springs Road.

San Jacinto City Councilman Jim Potts said he agrees. In fact, he said, it may be a good idea to widen the stretch of Gilman Springs Road between Highway 79 and Soboba Road, rather than close it.

He also proposed during the last City Council meeting that the city seek an updated letter from the Riverside County Fire Department, which has in the past said that closing the road would increase emergency response times.

Fraser, however, said the road could stay open to emergency traffic.

There's more here:
http://www.thevalleychronicle.com/shared-content/search/index.php?search=go&o=0&l=20&s=&r=&d1=08%2F19%2F09&d2=09%2F02%2F09&q=%22gilman+springs%22]

This is not the first time the attempt to close the road has been made; it was an issue in 1998 also.  Highway 79 used to take the same path as Gilman Springs Road, but it was (if I remember correctly) diverted onto another road.  This article was archived by Kristi Wachter (the critic with the scientology completions database): http://www.scientology-lies.com/press/press-enterprise/1998-01-10/golden-era-highway-79-plan-nixed.html

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Source: Press-Enterprise
Date: January 10, 1998

Route request by Scientology film studio upsets San Jacinto

by Susan Thurston

San Jacinto city officials and residents have reacted with suspicion to a Church of Scientology request that the city continue diverting Highway 79 away from the church's Golden Era Productions film studios.

The City Council voted 4-1 Thursday night to deny Golden Era's request that a detour along Sanderson Avenue and Ramona Expressway continue to be designated as Highway 79. Some council members and residents questioned the church's intentions for the original highway, also known as Gilman Springs Road.

A year and a half ago, to allow construction of a bridge across the San Jacinto River on State Street, the state diverted Highway 79 from the stretch of Gilman Springs Road that runs through Golden Era's multimillion-dollar complex in Gilman Hot Springs just north of San Jacinto.

Council members and residents said Thursday that the city should not commit to changing the designation until the highway route is determined once and for all.

"There are issues here I'd hate to see compounded. People are very concerned about the area," said Chris Buydos, a San Jacinto planning commissioner who lives off Ramona Expressway.

Others opposed accommodating the Church of Scientology, which was founded in the 1950s by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, who died in 1986. Promotional and training films for Scientology churches and missions are produced at Golden Era.

"I highly object to appeasing these people. This highway has been here for a long, long time," said Lucille Ferguson, a San Jacinto Valley resident for more than 50 years. "What do they really do there? People ought to know. I resent us changing things for their benefit."

Councilwoman Joan Good questioned whether the request was the first step in a Golden Era plan to close Gilman Springs Road.

Good said she had been leaning toward approving the request when she went into Thursday's meeting, but changed her mind after hearing from residents and Ken Hoden, Golden Era's general manager.

Hoden said residents' concerns were based on a lack of knowledge about the church and its operations. He urged them to attend an open house on Sundays to get a firsthand look at what goes on in the complex.

He said Golden Era requested the temporary realignment of the highway because noise from passing vehicles causes problems when the studios are recording. Stripping Gilman Springs Road of its state highway designation would make it easier to lower the speed limit from 50 to 35 mph and reduce noise, he said.

"The highway is always going to be there. No one is going to lose the highway," Hoden said.

Muriel Dufrense, Golden Era's director of public relations, said the council missed an opportunity Thursday to get one step closer to the final highway alignment.

Local, county and state officials have been trying to nail down a new Highway 79 route for nearly 20 years. Relocation of the road is considered vital to the future economic development of the San Jacinto Valley. Most want the road moved to the west side of the valley to provide easier access to Interstate 10 to the north and the new Domenigoni Valley reservoir and Interstate 15 to the south.

The Hemet City Council last month endorsed Golden Era's request.

The San Jacinto council went against the recommendation of City Engineer Habib Motlagh, who said the request should be granted as long as the city retains control of access along Sanderson and the expressway and Caltrans maintains the roads and makes any necessary improvements.

Councilman Patrick Williams asked why the city should hurry to relieve a problem for Golden Era when it has been slow in helping residents near the expressway, who have complained that access to Chase Street is dangerous.

"Why do we want to move Golden Era's problem to our problem?" he said. "This has little to do with who they are or what they do."

Councilman Jim Conner questioned whether Caltrans would invest in widening the expressway to four lanes.

Mayor Jim Smedley cast the lone vote in support of Golden Era's request.

"I think we have an obligation to be a good neighbor. Golden Era has been a good neighbor," he said.
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More on the road closure:
http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_E_eroad03.4861b2c.html

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San Jacinto council could oppose road closure
By GAIL WESSON
The Press-Enterprise

The San Jacinto City Council is expected to take a position on the subject of closure of Gilman Springs Road near Golden Era Studios tonight.

The winding, two-lane road between Highway 79 and State Street is in unincorporated Riverside County adjacent to the city and bisects the Church of Scientology's Golden Era Productions property.

Councilmen Jim Ayres and Jim Potts, who make up the council's transportation subcommittee, asked that the item be placed on the agenda and the resolution wording urges keeping the road open. The council meets at 7 p.m. in the San Jacinto Unified School District offices.

At a meeting earlier this summer about San Jacinto River levee improvements, a consultant to Scientology officials asked the city to support the closure, San Jacinto City Manager Barry McClellan said by phone.

The question for the city is, "What's the benefit for the citizens of San Jacinto and I could not think of one single reason that it would benefit our residents," said Potts .

If anything, the area will need more access points, as growth occurs, he said. Patrons of the Soboba Casino, emergency vehicles and motorists entering and leaving the San Jacinto Valley use the route.

A Scientology spokeswoman did not return a message seeking comment. Scientology 's training videos and audiotapes are made at the studios.

The church bought the property in 1978.

It's supposed to be decided tonight.
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http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_E_egilman04.466ff19.html

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Council doesn't support closing Gilman Springs Road
10:00 PM PDT on Thursday, September 3, 2009

By GAIL WESSON
The Press-Enterprise

The San Jacinto City Council voted unanimously Thursday to go on record opposing any future proposal to close Gilman Springs Road where it bisects the Church of Scientology's Golden Era Productions property.

The winding, two-lane road between Highway 79 and State Street is in unincorporated Riverside County, adjacent to the city. The Scientologists' interest in closing the road predates the 2004 election of County Supervisor Jeff Stone, who represents the area's 3rd District. The issue has come up every few years, said Verne Lauritzen, chief of staff to Stone, by phone Thursday.

As of this week, no official application had been made to the county. Samuel Alhadeff, an attorney representing the church, told the council experts have been hired to analyze issues related to the road and, in a letter, anticipated a road vacation application could be filed soon.

He called the council action "premature" and said he hopes lines of communication will remain open on the subject.

Letters or petitions from Country Lakes Mobile Home Park, Heritage Ranch and businesses along State Street lobbied to keep the road open. Patrons of the Soboba Casino, emergency vehicles and motorists entering and leaving the San Jacinto Valley use the route.

Councilman Jim Ayres said the council needs to let the county Board of Supervisors know "how truly vital this road is to our community" as one of three essential travel arteries out of the valley.

Councilman John Mansperger said if the group wants the road closed, it must offer an alternative route -- and not at taxpayer expense.

At a meeting earlier this summer about San Jacinto River levee improvements, a consultant to Scientology officials asked the city to support closure, San Jacinto City Manager Barry McClellan said earlier.

"They recently have come to us again with the same issue," Lauritzen said. "We've been pretty straight up with them."

If the group made an application and went through an environmental review process, Lauritzen said Stone would consider it only if the group was willing to pay for an alternate road in the vicinity that would improve safety and ease traffic.

"There can't be any public money involved with that. The county doesn't have the money," Lauritzen said.

Reach Gail Wesson at 951-763-3455 or gwesson@PE.com
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There are videos (by AO) of the San Jacinto City Council Meeting here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljrdG0YZUZY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5en5rbsPIrg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9KpXZfYFBE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6mlot5tlDc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8VuZat0nhg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmE9FkMVHQU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhLB6-unYjM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By2r2f1bNi8

and from another perspective (by Mark Lowell; there were 2 cameras filming):
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3629453BBB180DCD
or in one piece on vimeo:
http://vimeo.com/6445623

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The room was packed, mostly with people who supported expansion of an indian casino. I did not have a tripod nor was there room for it; it was standing room only. 45 minutes of hand held video made it difficult to keep the camera still, especially when zoomed in.

Former mayor and council member Ayres was out spoken in his opposition to the road closure and vacating the county land. Scientology's attorney Samuel Alhaldeff, who has previously worked to suppress free speech in Riverside County, tried to stop the council from passing the resolution.

All residents who spoke were opposed to the road closure and supported the resolution.

He also transcribed this conversation between the former mayor and current council member Jim Ayres:

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"I did a little research on the houses that are on Sublette Road. They have all been purchase by the Church of Scientology. You eliminate opposition by buying their house".

"This is a long term strategy".

"The tunnels were built for human passage under the street. ... I can't think of too many place where that's been done".

"I believe outside the safety the other issue for them is noise because they have told me that over the years. Whenever they do their recordings or their filming the noise from the road has an impact on them. Well, I hate to say it but it's too darn bad because you knew it you bought the property in 1978, 39 years ago or whatever. The road was there, these people have been using that road".

"We have to come out, to meet with the supervisors - the entire board. Mr. Mayor I suggest you hand deliver this resolution to the board of supervisors and let them know just how important this is if it passes tonight".

There is apparently discussion (I have not watched the videos yet) of widening the road to 4 lanes, which could be done by using the full 100 foot easement that goes along with the road. 

Scientology's Gold Base has already encroached into the easement with security fences, the driveway entrance, and possibly the guard shack there, not to mention the tunnels, which would need to be lengthened if the road is widened.  Making the road 4 lanes would require scientology to demolish and reconstruct that part of the Base. 

In addition, scientology has had some expert traffic surveys done to demonstrate the "safety issues" as part of their effort to close that part of the road, which can be used to support the widening of the road.   ;D

I also read that there is a Riverside County Building and Road Departments Conditional Use Permit (CUP-02943) that specified in 1987-1988 that a multi-lane 100-foot-wide highway would be constructed as part of the Gold Base development.

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Very interesting stuff.

I love the way the community came together to battle this one along with the city council's stance in support of taxpayers.
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Very interesting stuff.

I love the way the community came together to battle this one along with the city council's stance in support of taxpayers.

Me too.  It reminds me of Sandy Springs fighting against the Ideal Org.

From what I understand, it's not over though.  This was just the nearby city of San Jacinto putting in their two cents.  If the road is closed, the traffic will be rerouted through San Jacinto.  I believe Riverside County (and possibly the California highway department) have the final say.

Here's a picture of the section they want to close, it's the part between the red lines:


For public records about the tunnels and their construction, this is probably the place to start: http://www.tlma.co.riverside.ca.us/trans/land_dev_permits.html

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I think this is something of sci arrogance too.  Its an attempt to stop protesters by taking something tax payers paid for. 

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[Google] Council opposes closure of road - The Valley Chronicle
« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2009, 00:00 »
Council opposes closure of road - The Valley Chronicle
11 September 2009, 7:28 pm


GILMAN SPRINGS: Scientology lawyer asks in vain for San Jacinto
to hold off on resolution.

By CHARLES HAND/The Valley Chronicle
Published: Friday, September 11, 2009 5:26 PM CDT

A plea from Scientology attorney Sam Alhadeff to take no action on a proposed resolution opposing the closure of Gilman Springs Road fell on deaf ears at last week’s meeting of the San Jacinto City Council.

The five council members voted unanimously to oppose any effort to close the road.

Alhadeff said in a letter to the city that the council should withhold action until the Scientologists have an opportunity to prepare a formal proposal that would include ways to mitigate the impact of closing the road.

Alhadeff conceded that the Church of Scientology representatives are considering proposing closure of the road, but said nothing has been decided.

Nonetheless, Scientologists have hired consultants and commissioned studies of the road and alternatives to it should it be shut down, he said.

He said they have come to believe “such studies, when complete, will demonstrate the vacation may be appropriately considered and that, indeed, safer transportation corridors and mitigation measures could be implemented.”

He did not, however, say what those mitigation measures may be.

No matter, Councilman Jim Ayres said. “My constituents do not want the road closed.”

In fact, he said, Riverside County’s general plan foresees the road as expanded to four lanes.

That, said Alhadeff, is both logistically and financially unlikely.

“When you talk with engineers, geotechnical advisers, traffic engineers, and simply review the requirements that would be necessary, the cost to widen and straighten Gilman would be extraordinary if it could be done at all.”

In fact, he said, rather than reducing the Golden Era Productions complex along Gilman Springs Road, Scientologists want to put up more buildings and expand the site’s capacity from the current 500 employees.

Councilman Jim Potts said he found it appropriate that the City Council should take a position on the concept of closing Gilman Springs Road, even if Scientologists have not made a formal proposal.

Verne Lauritzen, chief of staff to Riverside County Supervisor Jeff Stone, has reported contacts by Scientologists seeking county cooperation on the issue, Potts said.

In the end, the issue is community desires, he said.

“What does our community want?” he asked. “We’re up here to represent the community.”

Some members of that community spoke in support of the proposed resolution to oppose closing the road.

Mary Engeldow, manager of the Country Lakes Mobile Home Park at San Jacinto’s northern boundary just south of Gilman Springs Road, said she distributed more than 350 surveys to residents of the park and, with only some results in, had opposition to the road closure from 159 residents.

Mayor Dale Stubblefield said rumors of Scientologists’ desire to close down Gilman Springs Road were circulating before he was elected to the City Council.

Not only that, but the rumors indicated that the city supported the move, which, he said, is a falsehood.

Alhadeff said no one with the Church of Scientology circulated such rumors.

Opposition also came from John Randall, manger of the U.S. Bank branch at the new shopping center on the northeast corner of the State Street-Ramona Expressway intersection.

Randall said business has been hurt enough by the weak economy and diverting traffic that now passes by the shopping center can only increase the damage.

“It would have a detrimental effect on all businesses in the center,” he said.

Even City Manager Barry McClellan got into the discussion to dispute the contention from Scientologists that the road is carrying more traffic than it was designed to accommodate.

“As an engineer, I don’t believe that road is over capacity,” he told the council. “It will handle a lot more than 15,000 cars a day.”

If there is danger along the 45-mile-an-hour road segment, it is from people who speed, he said.

A major part of the argument for examining the potential for closing the road is that it is unsafe because of the volume of traffic.

Ayres said that, if there is likely to be any impact on traffic volume and safety, it would come from closing the road and forcing traffic that now uses Gilman Springs Road onto other thoroughfares, some of which are already crowded.

“I’ll never support it,” he said.
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