Author Topic: Public Running list of Narconon Fake Referral sites & NN FSMs in disguise (Read 41634 times)

DeathHamster · « **Reply #40 on:** May 28, 2014, 13:13 »

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on June 10, 2013, 20:34

Quote from: mefree on June 10, 2013, 19:13
Just saw this posted on a WWP and facebook:
http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Narconon_sites

Excellent. I have seen this before but it was not updated as it now seems. Glad someone is on top of this!

You reminded me that I have a bunch more to post for Best Drug Rehabilitation and A Forever Recovery, so of which are on that list.

Also this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

And this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Narconon

Now that I have a site that I directly control, I'll be adding a way for people to submit new entries.

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #41 on:** May 28, 2014, 14:24 »

Quote from: DeathHamster on May 28, 2014, 13:13

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on June 10, 2013, 20:34
Quote from: mefree on June 10, 2013, 19:13
Just saw this posted on a WWP and facebook:
http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Narconon_sites

Excellent. I have seen this before but it was not updated as it now seems. Glad someone is on top of this!

You reminded me that I have a bunch more to post for Best Drug Rehabilitation and A Forever Recovery, so of which are on that list.
Also this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

And this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Narconon

Now that I have a site that I directly control, I'll be adding a way for people to submit new entries.

Hi DeathHamster! Welcome to the forum! It's terrific that you are compiling these lists!

Please note that some of them are now dead links or the ownership has changed. One example is that Lucas Catton no longer owns any sites. You may have to check each to see whats up now or not.

There are many more, especially for the unbranded Narconons like A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehab - each using some or all components of the Narconon program. I am just swamped right now and have little time to dig up where I have them on my computer. Will try to get them up here soon and you can then sift through what fits your list criteria

Keep up the terrific work!

mefree · « **Reply #42 on:** May 28, 2014, 18:42 »

Quote from: DeathHamster on May 28, 2014, 13:13

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on June 10, 2013, 20:34
Quote from: mefree on June 10, 2013, 19:13
Just saw this posted on a WWP and facebook:
http://umbraxenu.wiki-site.com/index.php/Narconon_sites

Excellent. I have seen this before but it was not updated as it now seems. Glad someone is on top of this!

You reminded me that I have a bunch more to post for Best Drug Rehabilitation and A Forever Recovery, so of which are on that list.
Also this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

And this:
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Narconon

Now that I have a site that I directly control, I'll be adding a way for people to submit new entries.

Thanks for keeping us updated. Good job!

DeathHamster · « **Reply #43 on:** May 29, 2014, 00:54 »

Quote from: Mary_McConnell on May 28, 2014, 14:24

Please note that some of them are now dead links or the ownership has changed. One example is that Lucas Catton no longer owns any sites. You may have to check each to see whats up now or not.

There are many more, especially for the unbranded Narconons like A Forever Recovery and Best Drug Rehab - each using some or all components of the Narconon program. I am just swamped right now and have little time to dig up where I have them on my computer. Will try to get them up here soon and you can then sift through what fits your list criteria

Yes, registrars *should* reset the domain creation date when it changes ownership through expiry then scavenging, but most don't these days.

My Narconon list is only a partial list, naturally. Several years ago, they were multiplying so fast that I would have been swamped too tracking them all, especially with the FSM sites. It does burn me that people are coming forward now who searched back then but didn't see the critical info. No more.

Per Wickstrom is especially slimy. His sites don't directly include his toll-free contact number, but use javascript to alter the page displayed with data from the mothership. That's easy to search for, and I'll post about that soon.

And now, to bed.

DeathHamster · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2014, 22:34 »

List updated with David Holtz' other domains. He was a very naughty boy, and used the Fort Harrison for the registration address of some of his sites. He even used it on some of the sites themselves.
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

Also see here:
http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/31/jo...nt-to-be-considered-a-god/#comment-1516847066

ethercat · « **Reply #45 on:** August 01, 2014, 11:06 »

Thanks for keeping the list, DeathHamster, and if I haven't already said it, then Welcome to the Tipping Point!

I've added a link to your list on the Narconon Reviews - Rehab Referral Sites page.

You may want to remove interventionservicesinc.com and sober-solutions.com since that is David Lee's company, and they're good guys now. Or maybe make a note of it and link to this thread instead of the one you have now:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12144.0.html

It might be good to add narcononreviews.com, since Narconon owns that one too. I have narcononreviews.net and .org, so please don't add them. The .org redirects to the .net. They also snatched up a bunch of other "reviews" URLs when they became aware of narcononreviews.net (which was actually before it opened to the public).

Another suggestion I have, if you can have your script add it without too much work, is to add a 'rel="nofollow"' tag to your links to the Narconon sites so you don't give them any link love and inadvertently boost their search engine rankings: Google Webmaster Tools - Use rel="nofollow" for specific links. It might also improve your site's ranking because it won't look like another "add your link" type site, which look spammy to the googlebot and get downranked.

Quote from: DeathHamster on May 28, 2014, 13:13

Now that I have a site that I directly control, I'll be adding a way for people to submit new entries.

I probably don't need to tell you this, but additions by the public should be moderated, lest Narconon starts adding our sites and their competitors' sites.

DeathHamster · « **Reply #46 on:** August 01, 2014, 11:59 »

Quote from: ethercat on August 01, 2014, 11:06

I've added a link to your list on the Narconon Reviews - Rehab Referral Sites page.

Back at you! I've been adding links to Narcononreviews from the various Narconon locations linked to by the news archive.
e.g. http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Category:Sunshine_Summit_Lodge

Quote from: ethercat on August 01, 2014, 11:06

You may want to remove interventionservicesinc.com and sober-solutions.com since that is David Lee's company, and they're good guys now. Or maybe make a note of it and link to this thread instead of the one you have now:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,12144.0.html

That's the problem maintaining a big ten year-old list.

Quote from: ethercat on August 01, 2014, 11:06

It might be good to add narcononreviews.com, since Narconon owns that one too. I have narcononreviews.net and .org, so please don't add them. The .org redirects to the .net. They also snatched up a bunch of other "reviews" URLs when they became aware of narcononreviews.net (which was actually before it opened to the public).

Typical.

Quote from: ethercat on August 01, 2014, 11:06

Another suggestion I have, if you can have your script add it without too much work, is to add a 'rel="nofollow"' tag to your links to the Narconon sites so you don't give them any link love and inadvertently boost their search engine rankings: Google Webmaster Tools - Use rel="nofollow" for specific links. It might also improve your site's ranking because it won't look like another "add your link" type site, which look spammy to the googlebot and get downranked.

The problem is that nofollow is a global setting with Mediawiki, and I had to trade off between giving all the news articles a bump, and CoS's sites. When I get the chance, I'll add a page setting for that. There's enough content on the site that I don't think it's hurting ranking too much, and when I add RDFa Lite semantic markup, it'll make up for any downrank in a big way.

Quote from: ethercat on August 01, 2014, 11:06

Quote from: DeathHamster on May 28, 2014, 13:13
Now that I have a site that I directly control, I'll be adding a way for people to submit new entries.

I probably don't need to tell you this, but additions by the public should be moderated, lest Narconon starts adding our sites and their competitors' sites.

Changes will be filtered through me first from known contributers. There were wikibots in the first week trying to add junk articles with spam links, and I don't have Wikipedia's human wave to delete those.

Meanwhile, I'm trying out different setups on the other Pi.

DeathHamster · « **Reply #47 on:** August 26, 2014, 12:41 »

I'm looking at a phone number with a legion of sites attached, trying to decide if it's Narconon or not.

866-567-4793. https://www.google.ca/?gws_rd=ssl#q=866-567-4793

The site name formats are drugrehab<town name>.com. The tricky part is that the sites do list local non-Narconon rehabs as well. Short of calling their number and using my terrible social engineering skills to see if they only steer people to Narconons, it's hard to call it. It smells like a Narconon referral setup, and they've spread such a wide net of sites, all registered in 2008, that they can afford to let a few fish go to other rehabs.

Narconon Southern California did similar with drugrehab<state>.com in 2003.

Note: Toll free numbers will report your phone number to them, independent of any caller-id blocking that you use. (It's their dime for the call, so they get the info.)

ethercat · « **Reply #48 on:** August 26, 2014, 21:44 »

About 110,000 results. That must cost whoever it is a small fortune!

Combining the phone number with some other search terms got a few appearances of the number that weren't part of the cookie cutter sites.

with "scam", but it's from 2009:
http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk/threads/citycomwirelesswholesale-com.47141/

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Actually talked to the guy on the phone, and he has meebo chat on the listing along with a you tube video showing the phones. He told me he had a new wholesale connection and mentioned the citycomwirelesswholesale.com site to me. Don't know why a "powerseller" would divulge that info so easily. Anyways it looks like he is affiliated with the website in some way, however he told me he just orders from there. He did not have an accent and did not seem to be the typical stereotypical scammer. The number he gave me was 866-567-4793. Just got off the phone with him now and he was trying to push me off to the citycomwirelesswholesale.com site VERY, VERY fishy. I told him I could meet him in Ft. Lauderdale florida where he said he was from and he got real nervous. I am certain this is a scam now. This is one of the best put together iPhone scams I have seen to date, and I have seen a lot. Let me know what you guys think, and if it is a scam, lets get it shut down asap.

I forget what the search term was that turned up this, from 2013:
http://thelebanonvoice.com/milton-rochester-police-see-heroin-usage-spike-cms-1198

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If you or someone you know has a heroin addiction, they can get help in Maine, at CSI, 474 Main Street, Springvale (207) 459-7289; and in New Hampshire, at
Southeastern New Hampshire Alcohol & Drug Treatment Services, Crisis Center, County Farm Road, Dover (866) 567-4793.

I am pretty certain Southeastern New Hampshire Alcohol & Drug Treatment Services is not Narconon, but they don't list that 866 number anywhere on their site, either.
http://dovernhtreatmentcenter.org/

Unlike Narconon, they are not hiding:
Registrant Name:Ray Mcgarty
Registrant Organization:Southeastern NH Services
Registrant Street: 272 County Farm Road
Registrant City:Dover
Registrant State/Province:NH
Registrant Postal Code:03820
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.6035168190

Side note: I am reminded of scientology getting one of their numbers on Fox News as a mental health hotline, back during the early days of 9/11 reporting. I wonder if someone slipped the 866 number into that article, in a similar way?

Uh, this is kinda interesting, using the term "web".
http://prezi.com/hzwjs452ufdr/stimulants/
Click to see the whole transcript:

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...
How can drug abuse/addiction effect someone personal life?
What does the drug look like?
Resources
Local:
http://www.drugrehabseattle.org/
1-866-567-4793
Seattle Professional Associates
6536 5th Place South Seattle WA 98108...

When you look up drugrehabseattle.org in the Wayback Machine (2010), it's the same site design as all the rest of the sites, but with a different number: 888-396-3784

The image with the number got messed up here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20121103183449/http://www.drugrehabseattle.org/
and stayed messed up till Feb. 9, 2014, when it changed over to the number you searched on:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140209054440/http://www.drugrehabseattle.org/

Well, looky here:

Quote from: ethercat on November 04, 2012, 20:19

I've received a list of phone numbers that lead to Narconon Fresh Start, formerly Narconon Southern California. This "management" organization oversees the following facilities:
Huntington Harbor House in Huntington Beach, California
JLB Ranch in Warner Springs, California
Sunshine Summit Lodge in Warner Springs, California (which has also used the names Narconon Warner Springs and Narconon San Diego)
Narconon Fort Collins in Fort Collins, Colorado (which has also used the names A Life Worth Living, A Life Worth Saving, Narconon Colorado, and Fort Collins New Life Center)
Narconon Lone Star Victory Ranch in Harlingen, Texas
Rainbow Canyon Retreat in Caliente, Nevada (which has also used the names Narconon Nevada, Rainbow Canyon Recovery, and Rainbow Ranch)

and two Outreach Centers, which I believe are Drug Education centers, not rehabs:
South Central Out Reach Center in Inglewood, California)
Harlingen Outreach Center in Harlingen, Texas

They used to run Narconon Newport Beach in Newport Beach, California, but that one has shut down, as of February 2010.

Here's the list of phone numbers and sites:
855-378-4734 drug-rehabs.org (This one positions itself as the National Drug and Alcohol Abuse Helpline, which has apparently fooled at least one site into thinking it's a government-run national hotline, unless it's also a referral site: http://www.scpoc.org/drug-stats.php
855-786-7378 usnodrugs.com
866-580-8299 drugrehabcenters.org
866-845-8975 drug-abuse-treatment.org (This one brings a lot of other sites as well, some that appear to be legitimate sites with a misunderstanding of what they are linking to - contacting them would be a nice project for someone with time on their hands)
866-597-9931 interventionspecialists.com (There is also an interventionspecialists.org that appears to be legit and not related to Narconon)
888-396-3784 (multiple sites with city names in the domain name, such as drugrehabsantaclarita.com)
877-437-8422 drug-withdrawal.com (also on many other sites, see above for project ideas)
866-407-4380 (sites with states in the name such as drugrehabmontana.com, drugrehablouisiana.com, and others)
866-395-1680 (used for usnodrugs.com pay per click ads, also listed on other sites, see above project ideas)

Often, you can search the numbers to find other domains that use the number, but sometimes the numbers are shown in images instead of text, and therefore are not listed in the search engines. I believe this may be to keep it from being apparent how many sites that referrer has, but not sure. Maybe one of our resident experts can chime in here on why the images are used.

I'd give that 866-567-4793 number and those domains about a 1 in a million chance of being something other than Narconon.

There's other stuff you may be interested in, on that thread I quoted from: http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,11981.0.html

DeathHamster · « **Reply #49 on:** September 01, 2014, 14:47 »

Yep, it sounds like I should just grab everything in a net, tag them "99% Narconon", then sort out what I've caught later. (And hope that they goofed on some when hiding their tracks.) Maybe a Google Map with pins for each town would show a pattern?

It's too bad that there's no toll-free number registry like WhoIs, to see when they picked up that number and dropped the other one.

DeathHamster · « **Reply #50 on:** September 02, 2014, 13:36 »

mefree · « **Reply #51 on:** September 02, 2014, 14:45 »

^^^
Sheesh!

DeathHamster · « **Reply #52 on:** September 02, 2014, 16:39 »

Gotta love the window dressing news stories on the upper right of those sites: thirteen-year old news is so exciting!

However, even if it's from a stale db, it seems like someone went to a lot of work to add these fake details. Looking for Narconon or someone just like him.

DeathHamster · « **Reply #53 on:** September 03, 2014, 13:48 »

I've added the sites to the list. (Sort on the Notes column, scroll to "Probably big Narconon".)
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

All were bought in bunches in 2008 and 2010.

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #54 on:** September 04, 2014, 19:08 »

Quote from: DeathHamster on September 03, 2014, 13:48

I've added the sites to the list. (Sort on the Notes column, scroll to "Probably big Narconon".)
http://umbraxenu.no-ip.biz/mediawiki/index.php/Narconon_sites

All were bought in bunches in 2008 and 2010.

Fantastic work! Thanks for the update

DeathHamster · « **Reply #55 on:** October 31, 2014, 16:03 »

I've been working on working on a portable version of UmbraXenu, and I've now merged in the Tentacle domain lists, including Narconon.

Download, unzip, open in browser:
https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B334XvjqsK2Uem5QMS0wcVZ1dEU

This link will let you review the version date before downloading:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B334XvjqsK2Uem5QMS0wcVZ1dEU/view

Now searches find everything:

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #56 on:** October 31, 2014, 18:44 »

Excellent! Thanks for all your work on these things

mefree · « **Reply #57 on:** November 01, 2014, 07:16 »

Quote from: DeathHamster on October 31, 2014, 16:03

I've been working on working on a portable version of UmbraXenu, and I've now merged in the Tentacle domain lists, including Narconon.

Download, unzip, open in browser:
https://docs.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B334XvjqsK2Uem5QMS0wcVZ1dEU

This link will let you review the version date before downloading:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B334XvjqsK2Uem5QMS0wcVZ1dEU/view

Now searches find everything:

Fantastic! Thanks for your work on this.

mefree · « **Reply #58 on:** December 30, 2014, 22:00 »

Looks like another referral service. They openly refer to Alternative to Meds Center and Pur Detox.
http://www.lastrehab.com/rehab-facility-tour.html

Registrant Name: Isaac Edwards
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 7757 South Mingo Road
Registrant Street: Apt. 231
Registrant City: Tulsa
Registrant State/Province: Oklahoma
Registrant Postal Code: 74133
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: 9189131052
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: drugfreehelp.issac@yahoo.com

Mary_McConnell · « **Reply #59 on:** December 31, 2014, 14:58 »

Quote from: mefree on December 30, 2014, 22:00

Looks like another referral service. They openly refer to Alternative to Meds Center and Pur Detox.
http://www.lastrehab.com/rehab-facility-tour.html

Registrant Name: Isaac Edwards
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 7757 South Mingo Road
Registrant Street: Apt. 231
Registrant City: Tulsa
Registrant State/Province: Oklahoma
Registrant Postal Code: 74133
Registrant Country: United States
Registrant Phone: 9189131052
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: drugfreehelp.issac@yahoo.com

Ike Edwards is on Facebook and he is a former Narconon Arrowhead staff member:

Ike Edwards
Chief Executive Officer at Last Rehab
Past: Narconon Arrowhead
Studied Accounting at TCC
Past: Central High School
Lives in Tulsa, Oklahoma
From Akins, Oklahoma
https://www.facebook.com/ike.edwards.33