Science Doc • 6 hours agoO/T. Went by Narconon Warner Springs several times. Place is still running at ca. 50% of where it was consistently until five or six months ago. I couldn't connect with my best source in the area but talked with someone else I've met before who told me a good story. Some time ago patients at Narconon broke into one of the three wineries within short walking distance looking for a nice bender. The storage room they broke into contained a batch of wine that had gone bad in fairly remarkable way due to some undisclosed processing error. Science Doc suspects some bad microbiology would be necessary for wine to get condemned and locked up for further testing. Anyhow they carted the whole load back to Narconon and reportedly became quite sick. This incident sharply polarized the vintners along highway 79 against Narconon.
There doesn't seem to be a Narconon Fresh Start thread, so I'll leave this here...www.drugrehab.com, which Narconon Fresh Start / Narconon Southern California has owned since 1997 and it's the one on their Form 990s, has sold/transferred the domain to some Florida rehab group. (I'll check them.)That seems very odd. Their next Form 990 should hit at the end of November.Their Rainbow Canyon location's website is gone too: www.rainbowcanyonretreat.org
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Hi, I'm so glad I found this forum and I read this thread with interest. I write for a website that has rehab reviews and a rehab directory which provides advertising revenue through purchased "enhanced listings" etc. Recently someone affiliated with Elevate Addiction Services at 262 Gaffey Rd, Watsonville, CA contacted our advertising department and asked that we remove all listings for Narconon at that address. They said that they purchased the facility from a former owner and have absolutely nothing to do with Narconon. They do not use the same methods and want Elevate to be the only listing at that address. Now they want to begin the review process, which is how I got involved. Unlike our advertising department, I was immediately suspicious and started searching and that's how I found this blog. I want to make the case to my boss that if we do a review stating that Elevate is not affiliated with Narconon, we will be misleading people and posting inaccurate and harmful information. I have bookmarked a lot of the links in this thread, but the wysk links never load or they give me errors. I am hoping that what I have will be sufficient. I have the pdf file "statement of information" which shows Halcyon Horizons as the corporation at the Gaffey Rd address (Found here after searching Halcyon Horizons), the Santa Cruz fictitious name statement showing Halcyon as the registrant of Elevate , and the other Santa Cruz statement showing Halcyon Horizons as the registrant of Narconon I'm hoping that will be sufficient, but if anyone has any other more direct ways I could present this evidence, I would appreciate it. Is there any working link that says that Narconon changed its name to Halcyon Horizons? The cached version is not showing up either. I will probably have to keep my explanation as short as possible, but I want to make sure that we either disclose the information or not get involved with them at all. I'm grateful for any advice. Thank you!
Thank you, these are both very helpful. I was hoping for an actual current link that basically says "Halcyon is the new name for Narconon" but I think there's enough info in these links to draw that conclusion. Is the IRS Exempt Organization info available in a database that I could search?
Mary - Thank you, I try. I just wish there was some indication which way the IRS is going to move under the new administration. It sounds strange, but at this point I'm almost afraid to send them anything new.
The owners Dan & Angie Manson of Elevate/Halcyon Horizonsare the same people who owned Narcanon of No California. No change in management despite Elevate's claim. Most of the staff from Narcanon remain. See these links:https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/07/07/narconon-redwood-cliffs-celebrates-independence-day/https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1110776609004922&id=710111935738060&refid=52http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?35649-Narconon-caught-paying-big-salaries-while-most-clubbed-seals-volunteer-for-NOTHING(Watch video about halfway thru the thread called "Money" for the true goals of current staff at Elevate who were also staff at Narcanon)The people seen in these 3 links who still work for Elevate are: Dan/Angie Manson, Gaevin, Jennifer, Cassidy, Kathy Horton, Mason Unger, Dr. Stein, Tatsuya. The prospect of these individuals now being non affiliated with Scientology is absurd. I was treated as a client at Elevate locations in both Watsonville and Tahoe in 2016. See the negative reviews on rehabreviews.com for honest experience with the ongoing Narcanon similarities found in the program now named Elevate. At the time I was unaware of their Narcanon history. I wish I had known, I never would have gone there. It was a weird, expensive and non therapeutic experience.
I was a client at this facility. Elevate still operates as they did when named Narconon and just renamed some of the program terminology. Elevate's business model is the same as Narconon based on finding the Narconon coursebooks. Elevate simply uses different names when referring to courses, etc. For example instead of being called "students" it's now "clients". Toxic people TP's, the coursework is divided into "phases". In the course workbooks, you read and do an assignment, raise your hand and a "counselor" formerly referred to as "instructor" reviews your answers and signs off on it so you can move on to the next. One still needs to use a dictionary to look up words, ie define what "communication" is - what's the definition and what does "communication" mean to you? It's basic elementary crap. In Phase 2, you do 4 Ed Blocks (education blocks which are 1 1/2 hour long) doing "observations" You spend 5 minutes "observing" an object - a blade of grass, a bottle, a sign, a leaf, and then describing it - the leaf is green, it has some red in it, and so on. They claim those exercises are to desensitize you to a bottle of vodka...it's just a bottle, blah blah blah. They punish clients frequently - a fellow client was having a difficult few days - heck we all have life problems complicated by drug/alcohol so of course people will be negative at times, she was placed on "amends" for 4 days. Amends is when they pull you out of the program to perform laborious chores, raking leaves, pulling weeds, cleaning the bathrooms, mopping floors, etc. When you don't work the program your completion of the program is then delayed. You progress in the program is doing coursework in "educational block" that's why it's not a 90 day program and they call it progress based. If you are educated then the coursework is easy and you'll finish the program quicker. Elevate has no housekeeping or janitorial staff - they require clients to clean their rooms everyday (wiping down your bathroom countertops, cleaning the mirror, vacuum everyday, make your bed everyday -making the bed every day isn't a big deal but they are nit picky and look for any tiny flaw to issue a "CV" - conduct violation. My roomate & I were ages 38 + & very clean and orderly but were issued CV's because there was a couple of small tree leaves that had been tracked in & they said the room wasn't clean enough. If you have a CV you aren't allowed to an excursion - church or a rewards outing which is either to the beach for the afternoon or a movie. You must work off a CV by performing more chores. The everyday chores are assigned & changed regularly. They consist of building cleaning as they have no janitors - this would be cleaning toilets, kitchen clean up, trash removal, window cleaning, and so one. On top of those chores, once a week you're required to do a deep clean of your room - again they are very very nit picky - the walls need to be wiped down, window sills, every tiny nook & cranny. Your room is then inspected telling you if it's up to par. Then once a week is the building's deep clean - this is hosing down the sunroom floor, cleaning the weight room, all class rooms/buildings, kitchen, bathrooms, front entrance, laundry room etc. That is also inspected and you aren't done until they say so. One gets CV's if they didn't do their daily chore "good enough" One new client was issued a CV because 1 empty target shopping bag was in the room & not in the trash. Also the staff are NOT trained. They have NO medical professionals 24/7, not even in their detox contrary to their claims on their website (medically supervised detox, doctors & nurses on staff) The detox is a cabin, a small cabin and COED! Men share rooms with other males and women share a room with other females, however, the cabin is small and you share the bathrooms, kitchen and living space with both sexes. Any woman who has had past trauma - ie assault, abuse, etc from a man this is NOT the place for you! No background checks on clients are done regarding whether a male has a criminal history of assault, etc. Some come straight out of prison/jail. The majority of the clients appear, to me, to be troubled youth, some who came off the streets and honestly I felt uncomfortable and unsafe. After getting to know some I felt better but in all honesty when you see what looks like punk meth kids it made me feel uncomfortable. I realize everyone deserves a chance to change their lives and I see the staff use intimidation to these kids - they're yelled at in abusive ways. One girl was suspended for exchanging notes with another guy and they both were able to return to the facility and picked up where they left off. She then got into trouble again for socializing with him out of public view and the Conduct supervisor, Doug, yelled at her and was overhead saying "What the fuck are you doing" While I agree her behavior was wrong & this should've been addressed, I don't feel the way in which she was dealt with was appropriate. Any girl or woman with trauma, this type of confrontation can be a trigger! The fact detox and the program is co ed was NEVER disclosed to my family nor myself beforehand. The rooms are unlocked and men are in the room adjacent to women. They have a hired doctor - Dr. Stein - who is off site and they have one nurse who is there during the day and another contracted nurse practitioner. They have NO psychologists or psychiatrists. All staff, or "counselors" are clients who went through the program themselves and when they "graduated" the program, they were immediately hired on as trainees. They do not have any degrees in drug/alcohol counseling, therapy, etc. When I was there, 4 people graduated the program then 2 days later returned as trainees! They claim they treat co-occurring disorders, but NONE OF THE STAFF are even qualified to treat, let alone identify issues. If someone is negative why not HELP them work through it instead of punishing them??? If you speak negatively about the program, staff or mention they were Narconon, you will be punished for it - you'll be issued a CV and get put on amends if they deem it serious enough. Also the family counselors mislead the families as if you want to leave in 10 days your entitled to a partial refund (they keep $15K) but they will tell your family you just want to get out of treatment so they apply pressure for you to stay. I paid up front, in cash $39,500.00 for the 90 day program. My roommate was insurance pay. At 60 days into her program, she obtained a copy of the billing they've sent to her insurance co and discovered they have blled $100,000.00 and she has another 30 days - give or take to go!!! Their website claims to have a professional chef which they don't have. They have a cook and trainees also cook. Their food is supplied by Sysco as any other rehab facility and restaurant. Their weight room is non existent as it's some dumb bells and a bench press and they are old. They are building a new cross fit gym. They still claim the sauna will rid your body of all the toxins of your drug/alcohol use. Their basketball is a broken hoop off the driveway path and by the laundry room which has old washers & dryers which work poorly. Everyone & the staff smoke like chimney's but tout fitness, nutrition, etc. They claim you get massages regularly and this is only when you're in the detox cabin. The water is crappy as they have their own sewage system and my skin was always itching! I was never able to have a private conversation even with my own insurance nurse case manager without their family counselor (Cassidy) present. I thought this was odd. When I learned they were Narconon I told them NOT to contact my family without me present and they would need to admit to my family they were previously narconon. They went ahead and proceeded to call my family behind my back and claim that I was spreading lies about their program, resisting treatment and highly manipulative simply to get out of the program. This was done because they didn't want me to leave within the 10 days so I could get a refund. I had a panic attack and demanded they take me to the hospital and yet they aren't even QUALIFIED to make that type of diagnoses/determination! Regarding clients' exit strategy, they won't allow one to graduate the program unless they approve who they'll be around, living with, and their living conditions. I can appreciate the need to make sure when one leaves they remain sober but to exert that type of control is too much. Many learn about the program early on and leave - very few actually graduate and those who do, stay on to work there as robots. I have tried posting my reviews on Rehabs.com but my review is never posted. I also believe all the reviews one finds on Elevate are fictious....I find it hard to believe all the glowing reviews when so few actually even stay, let alone finish. This is just a big money making scheme and as of 2016 they became a for profit organization. I am wanting to get an attorney to get my money back as well as pain & suffering for the additional trauma I went through there. I made friends with some good people and after I left, they confronted a guy and refused to let him graduate unless the put, in writing, that he and I had an inappropriate relationship. This was done AFTER I made it clear to them I was retaining an attorney and sent them an email the day before confronting the fact they told me I was discharged from the program as I required a higher level of care yet told my family I was so disruptive to the other clients, trying to get other clients to leave the program and that I did all I could to leave the program. Since they slandered me for retaliation purposes and I've caught them, they are now trying to find dirt on me to see if they can keep me from pursuing legal action or using it as a defense. I have asked them, via email, several times to confirm what it was they told my family as my family has told me what they've said, but they won't even address it other than saying perhaps I should get a conference call with them and my family. The fact I hear from my friends who are still in there what they're trying to dig up on me, tells me they purposely caused me additional emotional trauma.
Also the family counselors mislead the families as if you want to leave in 10 days your entitled to a partial refund (they keep $15K) but they will tell your family you just want to get out of treatment so they apply pressure for you to stay. I paid up front, in cash $39,500.00 for the 90 day program. My roommate was insurance pay. At 60 days into her program, she obtained a copy of the billing they've sent to her insurance co and discovered they have blled $100,000.00 and she has another 30 days - give or take to go!!!
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