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Title: Narconon: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 23, 2010, 16:17
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Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Stutroup on October 23, 2010, 16:32
Welcome to the forum.  I only wish it were under better circumstances!  How is your son?  Did he eventually get medical attention?

Sadly, his is not the first case of heat injury from their saunas.  And drugs are often encountered by Narconon students.

There needs to be a massive investigation into the program -- into every branch, regardless of how "independent."

I do wish you and yours the absolute best!
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 23, 2010, 19:36
Just drove 1300 miles to get my son out of the Warner Springs Narconon. He was on the verge of unconsciousness after spending too much time in the sauna. One note, a "Quick Fix Mentality" is normal behavior and a characteristic for an addict, in or out of a toxic state, that needs to be understood. My son was left in the sauna, because the "sauna specialist" forgot he was in there. As a result, my son pushed himself to "purify" asap. He began to feel sick, got out, reported his symptoms, turned purple and fought to stay conscious. He was told by staff to go to lunch and wait it out after he asked my son whether or not he wanted to see a Dr. Woh! Wait a minute, you're asking a person to make a good decision on his well being and health that's almost unconscious?? Isn't this someone who isn't capable of making healthy decisions in the first place! His best thinking got him into the situation he's at! I put him into an institution that was responsible for his well being and they dropped the ball. Not to mention a week later he was exposed to drugs inside the facility. WTF!! They allowed a student to go L.O.A., and return. As a result this student brought drugs into the facility to share with others. This place is a joke and harmful to the very people who need help recovering from addictive thinking!

VONSTEPHANSON III, I echo Stutroup's welcome to the forum, and thanks for your post. 

It does seem fairly common, from what we hear, that drugs are being used in narconon facilities, and the staff has little in the way of medical training.  More and more sad stories are coming out of the various narconons almost weekly. 

Thank goodness your son was able to contact you and you were able to go get him.

I hope he isn't permanently harmed from his heatstroke experience, and that you will, at the very least, file a complaint with the licensing agency for that narconon location.  Is Warner Springs one of the California narconons?

If there's anything we can help you with, let us know.  We have a couple of people here who are pretty much experts on narconon (Mary McConnell and David Love aka Intelligence) who will, no doubt, be along soon and see your post.

Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: mefree on October 23, 2010, 19:39
I am so sorry to hear about your son's experience and please let us know how he is doing when you have time.

Unfortunately, there have been many similar allegations of substandard care at Narconon locations across the country.
Some examples are here:  http://www.ripoffreport.com/Search/Narconon.aspx

You can file a complaint with the state regulatory agency in CA. Information here: http://www.adp.ca.gov/feedback/feedback.shtml

You can also document your story on the ripoff report and as ethercat mentioned we have a few others who will probably give you some additional feedback on the forum.

I wish you and your family the very best!

 
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Sunshine on October 23, 2010, 20:10
New here, is there a way I can communicate with a person who has posted here outside the forum?
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 23, 2010, 20:29
Hello Sunshine, and welcome.

We do not offer up people's contact information, unless they choose to do so themselves.  May I ask why you want to communicate with someone outside the forum?  I am the moderator.  You can contact me at ethercat @ ethercat.com (remove the spaces around the @ symbol).
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Sunshine on October 23, 2010, 22:27
ethercat,
I think I just sent you a personal message not sure?
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 23, 2010, 23:11
Yes, I got it, and sent you one back.  Thanks, Sunshine.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: xenubarb on October 24, 2010, 09:21
I've had two calls regarding NN Warner Springs this week. This guy's son isn't doing too well, and he only just discovered narconon-exposed dot org,, which he shoulda found before sending his kid there.  But, I understand, it's impossible to google drug rehabilitation without encountering Narconon.

I told this one guy if he wants to get his kid out (and he's in your neck of the woods, ethercat) I am willing to drive up there, get his kid, and drop him off at the airport or train station.

I really think Narconon is on the edge of failure, at least in geologic time. If David Love can take down Trois Rivieres, the documentation will make it easier to take down here in the US.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: mefree on October 24, 2010, 09:36
I've had two calls regarding NN Warner Springs this week. This guy's son isn't doing too well, and he only just discovered narconon-exposed dot org,, which he shoulda found before sending his kid there.  But, I understand, it's impossible to google drug rehabilitation without encountering Narconon.

Yes. It probably doesn't help that Narconon is found on the first 10 pages or more of any google search and most of the pages may not even mention Narconon, but instead are referrral sites. In addition, no mention of Scientology at any point on the website or during any call to to the referral scam hotline.

Narconon exposed http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ should come up in the first few pages if not the first page of a search and should be LOOKED AT CLOSELY BY ANYONE considering Narconon.

Sounds like this Dad drove 1300 miles to get his son. Would love to get an update on how he is doing.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: mefree on October 24, 2010, 09:59
Not to mention a week later he was exposed to drugs inside the facility. WTF!! They allowed a student to go L.O.A., and return. As a result this student brought drugs into the facility to share with others. This place is a joke and harmful to the very people who need help recovering from addictive thinking!

This seems to be a repeating pattern, does it not?
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 24, 2010, 12:03
I've had two calls regarding NN Warner Springs this week. This guy's son isn't doing too well, and he only just discovered narconon-exposed dot org,, which he shoulda found before sending his kid there.  But, I understand, it's impossible to google drug rehabilitation without encountering Narconon.

Yes, they really have a win with their search engine domination, don't they.  They spend more time and effort on SEO than on tending to the care and well-being of their clients.  I know there was an Anonymous effort to overtake them in search results, but I don't think it has been sustained - we need our own SEO experts.

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I told this one guy if he wants to get his kid out (and he's in your neck of the woods, ethercat) I am willing to drive up there, get his kid, and drop him off at the airport or train station.

I assume you're talking about another guy, since Von has already gotten his son.  Your willingness to go get him is above and beyond commendable.   :-D--U 

I'm certainly willing to do anything I can to help him, too, and you're welcome to give him my phone number (which I am sending you in a PM) if he wants to talk to someone closer to home. 

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I really think Narconon is on the edge of failure, at least in geologic time. If David Love can take down Trois Rivieres, the documentation will make it easier to take down here in the US.

I think you are right - more and more is coming out from people who have had problems at narconon - I hope so, at least.  I think it's just a matter of getting the right person's attention (or the right people's attention, since it might end up being at a state level person here in the US).

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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 24, 2010, 12:18
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Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
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Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: mefree on October 24, 2010, 12:58
Good to know you are in touch with a lawyer. Follow his advice closely.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Sunshine on October 24, 2010, 22:47
VONSTEPHANSON III
In response to your statement  about guidelines, the  California Drug and Alcohol Programs (ADP) http://www.adp.ca.gov/    “The Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs is responsible for administering prevention, treatment, and recovery services for alcohol and drug abuse and problem gambling.”

The law/regulations that all California licensed facilities operate under can be found here http://www.adp.ca.gov/Licensing/laws.shtml and addition to state, alcoholism and drug addiction are considered  disabilities and are protected by the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA).

The city/county where the facility is located may require a use permit that could add restrictions; I believe there are no Narconon facilities in California that can provide medical detox at the facility, I know Narconon Warner Springs cannot provide that service.

If you have not, I urge you to file a complaint with ADP http://www.adp.ca.gov/feedback/feedback.shtml and if you would like to receive a copy of all the complaints that have been filed with ADP go here:

http://www.adp.ca.gov/Licensing/faqs.shtml#general
 How can a completed/closed ADP inspection report and/or complaint investigation report be requested on a facility?
The Public Records Act provides the public access to certain information following the completion of on-site inspections. You may request a copy of any completed/closed inspection report or complaint investigation by submitting a written request to:
Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
Program Compliance Branch – Public Information Request
1700 K Street, 3rd Floor
Sacramento, CA 95811
Via fax at: (916)322-2658
Your request must provide the name and location of the facility and the year the report/investigation was completed.
I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 25, 2010, 00:03
Hi sunshine, that wise advise was very kind of you. How do you know about ADP. You sound experienced, lol

~ Mary
http://www.scribd.com/anonymary
http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com
Victims Of Scientology: Complaints & Concerns About Narconon
http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com/2009/01/victims-of-scientology-complaints.html
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 25, 2010, 01:04
Hi VonStephansonIII

I am so sorry about what happened. NN Southern Califorina and it Warner Springs facility have been on my radar for some time now, as I get many complaints about this company.

I hope you have found another place or program to to help your son. I can tell you if a program has had complaints or operates a scam like Narconon. and I can refer you to local gov't funded clinics and NA meetings. Any real help is better than none. Your son got through several weeks in NN onto the sauna so he may just need real counseling and maintenance help away from people places and things. Let me know if I can be of any asistance in your search.

I'm glad you contacted an attorney. Consider contacting Cathie Smith  or James L Moog of The Justin Foundation in CA "The Justin Foundation endeavors to provide consumer support and advocacy for better treatment care on behalf of individuals and families affected by drug abuse." James Moog has helped get complaints I am familiar with addressed at ADP. Last one was Narconon Joshua Hills. It was closed down 6 months ago and I was informed that his efforts were instrumental in that happening. Staff were doing drugs with students, having sex with students, students were bringing in drugs and it was over capacity.
Contact:
E-mail: csmith(at)@thejustinfoundation.org remove the (at)
Mailing Address is: The Justin Foundation P. O. Box 638 Danville, CA  94526
Tel.  (925) 838-4951 Fax. (925) 838-4575   
http://www.thejustinfoundation.org/main.php?pg=bios

If you need an attorney located near that facility, there is one who recently helped another victim to get a refund settlement without going to court. It was done by hourly rate instead of a lump sum fee up front. He was very good and is a pleaseant man to deal with. I was very happy to chat with him b ecause so few attorneys want to take these cases. The victim asked me to refer him because he was so helpful, so let me know. I can PM you the contact information and case name.

Another way to get your refund is to finle a complaint with the CA chapter of the Better Business Bureau.  Narconon So Cal received an A- score but that include the fact they tehy did refund 8 people fully and 2 others partially of 18 in the last 36 months. Go and file a complaint at the below link, after you read  what you will need, as mentioned later in this post.
Complaints:
No. of Cmpl Type of Response
8 Making a full refund, as the consumer requested
2 Making a partial refund
6 Agreeing to perform according to their contract
1 Refusing to make an adjustment
1 Refuse to adjust, relying on terms of agreement
0 Unanswered
0 Unassigned
18  Total 
http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/Narconon-Southern-Calif-Inc-13106049

On your post about standards and such - Sady, there are no real set standards on rehab facilities governed by the state of California except health code related requirements and Fed HIPAA laws with state additions that protect resident personal information and records. The state is just getting a plan in to standardize drug counselor requirements. If you can believe it, Narconons in CA are actually allowed to accept dual diagnosis patients ( mental illness and substance abuse) even though they are anti-psychiatry and have no skills in the area.

If you want to make noise, write your complaint to ADP as stated by Sunshine and send one with specific particulars to the FCC if you found the place over the internet. Here is the form: https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/ .

You must have all particulars on how you found the place, if you visited a fake referral site ( of which they have many) with web addresses; who you spoke to. If they did not tell you their refnd policy over the phone, it is a violation of federal law so include that information, as they NEVER tell about their NO refund policy until after one  has paid, is rushed and has signed the contract. Dates, names, etc. Write a timeline of events first before writing up your complaint.

Neither ADP or FCC can represent you in getting a refund or suing them personally. They just investigate violations on the laws they govern. If enough people file FCC complaints, they will act and do a full scale investigation but you need thousands of victi complaints. Still, do send one in.

ADP is years behind in acting on complaints. I know this from experience. The complaints coordinator is a good man and gets the complaints compiles and assigned to the invest dept but once it's sent out, you have to keep hounding the investigators. So get a copy of your complaint sent to you, get your investigators name, email address and ph number and your complaint number before you finish with the complaint coordinator.

They are short staffed and the investigators for Narconon cases ( yes, there are 2 people assigned to them) never complete any of them that I know except 1! The excuse is that there is no money for the travel budget and they work 4 day week due to budget restraints. So send a copy of your ADP report/complaint addressed to Director Renee Zito  askadp@adp.ca.gov or call the Directorate at (916) 445-1943 to get her direct email and physical address.

You might be interested in the 2008 Little Hoover Commission report on CA Substance Abuse. There have been many deaths at rehab facilities and the oversight in licensing counselors is a read mess ( since being overhawled)  www.policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/8195.pdf

Ypu can use the link to my survey here to write down and have ready your information for your complaints.
Victims Of Scientology: Complaints & Concerns About Narconon
http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com/2009/01/victims-of-scientology-complaints.html

You might be interested in other cases against NN So Cal. Go here and search in the California Documents folder.  http://www.scribd.com/anonymary

Let me know how it goes and if you want that attorney info.
Best wishes,
Mary
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 25, 2010, 06:01
Here's a copy of a note I sent an attorney I'm speaking with:

It's obvious that Narconon does not operate under the same guidelines as
real rehab centers do. While they get away with fraud, misrepresentation,
repeated negligence and so on, they continue to harm addicts and the loved
ones who try to help. I have a thirty year history of alcohol and cocaine
use and have just in the last 4 years become healthy. I know what I speak of
in terms of what's required. I was told flat out the 12-step program does
not work for either opiate or meth addicted individuals. Even with my
knowledge, I was persuaded to change my mind. This was only out of
frustration trying to help my son, after four previous attempts to get him
help over a ten year period.
  My point is, in order to change the way Narconon operates, they need to be
forced into following a treatment/business standard which there seems to be
none, anywhere. Why can't a draft for Initiatives be drawn up, presented and
voted on in each state. The only way to hold Narconon responsible is to get
the people to put a standard into law. If government can't do the job, then
the people can. First gather names and signatures of people that have been
ripped off. How I don't know, start a forum? I have to believe there are
enough individuals out there that would act. Exposure seems to be limited in
terms how Narconon scams people out of their money. It has to be national.
What about Dateline NBC or 60 Minutes or something of that nature? Why does
the FBI ignore them? Attorney General? Someone needs to get inside and get
enough tangible evidence to stop them, or at least alter their progress.
Everyone should be playing under the same rules.


Thank you Mary and Sunshine for the good information.

Last year, the FTC put in some guidelines which cover blogs and websites which recommend products or services when they stand to gain financially from the purchase of those products or services.  This is not a law, but a guideline, which requires disclosure of the financial interest.  Failure to disclose could result in an investigation by the FTC. 

Combined with information found about commissions being paid to people (scientologists) who start a blog and refer people to narconon, this might be enough to interest the FTC in investigating this "web of deceit" that narconon has going.

This post is about the FTC regulation:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,3523.0.html

And this one is about the blog commissions:
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,368.0.html

There have also been ads placed on sites that hire freelance writers for writers for the narconon sites - some placed by the VP (I think) of Narconon International, which all the narconon branches fall under.  Here is one: http://www.freelancer.com/users/1291520.html  The site referred to in that link, about-drugs.org, is registered to Peter Vanauken of Narconon International.

There is a twitter page for Damaso "Don" Delgado, a Georgia scientologist, who lists his bio as "SEO Master at non-profit Narconon Drug Rehab Georgia."  Why does a drug rehab need an SEO (Search Engine Optimization) Master?  To game the search engines, of course.

There is probably more evidence of this sort to be found.  My opinion is that it goes right to the top. 

Narconon branches --> Narconon International --> ABLE (Association of Better Living) --> Church of Scientology International --> RTC (Religious Technology Center).



Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: BT Dedex on October 25, 2010, 10:18
There is probably more evidence of this sort to be found.  My opinion is that it goes right to the top. 

Narconon branches --> Narconon International --> ABLE (Association of Better Living) --> Church of Scientology International --> RTC (Religious Technology Center).

Images from Scientology magazines.  Notice in the first 2 images below, there are 3 separate Narconon icons shown surrounding the scientology org.  No other front group has 3 icons, the most is 2 icons.  Look carefully.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/990s-index.html

(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6225/narcr.jpg)

(http://www.xenu-directory.net/documents/corporate/images/2004-isn-27-p20-clip1-751x600.jpg)

(http://www.cs.cmu.edu/%7Edst/Narconon/images/internal_orgchart.gif)
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 25, 2010, 12:49
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Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: Sunshine on October 25, 2010, 14:42
The California Code of Regulations Title 9 Division 4 Chapter 5 covers licensure of residential alcoholism or drug abuse recovery or treatment facilities.
 http://weblinks.westlaw.com/toc/default.aspx?Abbr=ca%2Dadc&Action=expandtree&AP=I948674A0D45211DEB97CF67CD0B99467&ItemKey=I948674A0D45211DEB97CF67CD0B99467&RP=%2Ftoc%2Fdefault%2Ewl&Service=TOC&RS=WEBL10.10&VR=2.0&SPa=CCR-1000&fragment#I948674A0D45211DEB97CF67CD0B99467


You mentioned bait and switch.

Admission agreements covered in Title 9 Division 4 Chapter 5 Subchapter 3 Article 3. Program Services Section 10566 Admission Agreements.

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/result/default.aspx?cite=9CAADCS10566&db=1000937&findtype=L&fn=%5Ftop&pbc=4BF3FCBE&rlt=CLID%5FFQRLT54437758122510&rp=%2FSearch%2Fdefault%2Ewl&rs=WEBL10%2E10&service=Find&spa=CCR%2D1000&sr=TC&vr=2%2E0



9 CCR § 10566

Cal. Admin. Code tit. 9, § 10566


Barclays Official California Code of Regulations Currentness
Title 9. Rehabilitative and Developmental Services
Division 4. Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
Chapter 5. Licensure of Residential Alcoholism or Drug Abuse Recovery or Treatment Facilities
Subchapter 3. Compliance Requirements
Article 3. Program Services
 § 10566. Admission Agreements.

(a) Fees assessed in consideration for resident recovery or treatment services shall be addressed in individual written agreements at time of admission.

(b) Admission agreements shall specify the following:
(1) Services to be provided.

(2) Payment provisions.

(A) Amount assessed.

(B) Payment schedule.

(C) Refund policy.

(3) Those action, circumstances or conditions which may result in resident eviction from the facility.

(4) The consequences when a resident relapses and consumes alcohol and/or nonhealth sustaining drugs.

(5) Conditions under which the agreement may be terminated.

(c) Such agreements shall be dated and signed by the resident and the licensee no later than seven (7) days following admission. When a facility admits an individual solely for detoxification services, as defined in section 10501(a) of this subchapter, the facility shall be exempt from this requirement.



You mentioned your son was left in the sauna, see section 10569  (3) below.

Title 9 Division 4 Chapter 5 Subchapter 3 Article 3 section 10569 Personal Rights.

http://weblinks.westlaw.com/result/default.aspx?cite=9CAADCS10569&db=1000937&findtype=L&fn=%5Ftop&pbc=4BF3FCBE&rlt=CLID%5FFQRLT831215459122510&rp=%2FSearch%2Fdefault%2Ewl&rs=WEBL10%2E10&service=Find&spa=CCR%2D1000&sr=TC&vr=2%2E0



9 CCR § 10569

Cal. Admin. Code tit. 9, § 10569


Barclays Official California Code of Regulations Currentness
Title 9. Rehabilitative and Developmental Services
Division 4. Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
Chapter 5. Licensure of Residential Alcoholism or Drug Abuse Recovery or Treatment Facilities
Subchapter 3. Compliance Requirements
Article 3. Program Services
 § 10569. Personal Rights.

(a) Each resident shall have personal rights which include, but are not limited to, the following:
(1) The right to confidentiality as provided for in Title 42, Subchapter A, Part 2 Sections 2.1 through 2.67-1, Code of Federal Regulations.

(2) To be accorded dignity in personal relationships with staff and other persons.

(3) To be accorded safe, healthful and comfortable accommodations to meet his or her needs.

(4) To be free from intellectual, emotional and/or physical abuse.

(5) To be informed by the licensee of the provisions of law regarding complaints including but not limited to the address and telephone number of the department.

(6) To be free to attend religious services or activities of his or her choice and to have visits from a spiritual advisor provided that these services or activities do not conflict with facility program requirements. Participation in religious services will be voluntary only.

(b) All residents shall be personally advised of, and given at admission, a copy of the rights specified in (a)(1) through (6) above.

NOTE: Authority cited: Section 11834.50, Health and Safety Code. Reference: Sections 11834.01 and 11834.50, Health and Safety Code.

     I suggested in a previous post that you file a complaint with the California Alcohol and Drug Program (ADP) complain section http://www.adp.ca.gov/feedback/feedback.shtml.
The following link is a document produced by a citizen in Leona Valley http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Leona_Valley/credibility/ and can be found on Stop-Narconon.org –
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/.

 As you can see they used complaints that were a direct result of individuals like yourself who filed the initial complaint.

Narconon Warner Springs/Sunshine Summit Lodge was to handle the over flow from Narconon Newport Beach, Narconon Newport is now closed but there is a excellent site created by an individual who was instrumental in Newport Beach creating restrictions on rehab facilities in their town the site also documents Narconons presents in Newport.   http://publicvoice.us/

Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 25, 2010, 19:35
Images from Scientology magazines.  Notice in the first 2 images below, there are 3 separate Narconon icons shown surrounding the scientology org.  No other front group has 3 icons, the most is 2 icons.  Look carefully.

Thanks for posting the images, BT.  I knew there were some floating around somewhere, but didn't have the time this morning to find them.

What is the significance of there being 3 narconon icons, where the most the others have is 2?  Importance?  Income?  Best producer of money and/or recruits?

Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 25, 2010, 19:50
I must say I'm overwhelmed with all the support. Thank you Sunshine, I apologize if I was rude or came on strong. Thanks again. It allows me to move forward with efficiency. Most importantly it allows my son to concentrate on his recovery. Currently he is in an outpatient facility that is a "Preferred Provider" in network recommended by my health insurance. He will also be seeing a doctor today as a follow up to the heat stroke issue. I pray there is no long/late term damage. I will keep you posted.

That's part of what we're here for.   :)

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I wish it would have been easier when I looked for a treatment center the first time. Oh well, can't change the past. I spent 4 or 5 days including and discounting options and various centers. One factor was my son had already entered every treatment center in the State of Washington and felt I needed to get him away from close proximity, so he couldn't just walk out with ease if things got tough and wasn't committed to getting well. Which by the way he is.

Glad to hear your son is committed to his recovery, and I'm sure all of us here wish him the best. 

I'm guessing that you found Narconon on the web?

I understand your reasoning for wanting to have him somewhere he couldn't easily leave.  Narconon likes that arrangement too, and actively tries to send people to branches that are distant from the person's home.  As Xenubarb mentioned earlier in the thread, she had heard from someone whose son was also at Warner Springs, and said that their home was in "my neck of the woods."  I am in Georgia!  That's a long way away.  Furthermore, there is a Narconon in Georgia he could have gone to. 

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I was reluctant to send him back to a place that wasn't successful in the past. Another problem was my insurance co. will not confirm payment of any inpatient facility until after thirty days from intake even with in network/preferred providers. This is normal procedure, at least for my health insurance company. They notified me 53 days into treatment that coverage had been denied. Once they review the facility they make a decision to either accept or deny payment. Another problem was I was looking for long term care, more than 30 days, preferably 60-90 and options were was again limited. When NN told me 30 day programs don't work for Meth I was sold. I should have known better but I was desperate to get my son help and caught up in the moment.  Another, is by nature of the disease/disorder, since it is prone to relapse I felt I needed to move quickly to get him in to treatment and fell victim to the bait and switch, hard sell tactics NN uses to lure people in. I'm not making excuses, or maybe I am, but this is similar, I suspect to many cases out there just like mine. It's obvious NN is well read in the psychology of the needy and desperate and use this to their advantage.

There are lots of cases like yours, where the family is desperate to get their loved one into rehab, and Narconon seems to be able to smell the desperation.  I have heard of them telling people they had to wire the money right away, or the bed would be gone.  Not only does that play on the person's desperation, but it also creates the (false) impression that Narconon is such a popular and desirable drug rehab facility, that the person is lucky to have found an opening.

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Thanks again, I'll stay in touch.

You're welcome, and please do!

Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: BT Dedex on October 25, 2010, 20:37
What is the significance of there being 3 narconon icons, where the most the others have is 2?  Importance?  Income?  Best producer of money and/or recruits?

It's kind of strange for Narconon to have the most icons surrounding the Org in the official Scientology graphic.  Per Hubbard policy (Scientology Missions International), each Scientology Org is supposed push to get 10 Missions surrounding every org.  Look at the graphics.  The biggest push is apparently for Narconons. 

I suspect (just my opinion) that Narconons are a big cash cow for Scientology, which might explain the bigger emphasis on that particular front group. 

Missions (also called Franchises) only give roughly 10% cut weekly uplines to SMI (Scientology Missions International) which is a subsection of Int Management.  Way To Happiness Foundation is not a huge cash cow, as far as I know.  WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) is a big cash cow for Int Management, I don't know why it's not pushed more in the graphic.

Maybe David Love or Mary McConnell can fill us in on what percentage of Narconon's gross income is funneled weekly to Int Management.  10%? 15%? More?

Or maybe the Sea Org graphics artist was just dead tired that week after working 120 hours and wasn't thinking straight, and there is no hidden significance in the graphic.

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Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 25, 2010, 22:35
Hi ethercat,

Thanks for the info! The FTC stuff I did not know about but interestingly, it is relevant to my interests of today. I knew about th other things and I agree, it's run from the top.
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 26, 2010, 01:23
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Post by: BT Dedex on October 26, 2010, 04:45
I'm quite certain NN is huge in terms of profit. Simple math puts them at just under $1.5 Million every 60 days for one treatment center. That's 50 students @ $29,000.00 a crack. Now get this, I was promised a 90 day program for my son when I made my decision. Yes, I pulled him out early, but they were already talking about getting him out earlier than a full 90 days right around the forty day mark, due to the fact there was so many people wanting to get in. It's obvious a 60-70 day turnover generates more $$. The students that my son knew, all 50 of them, wanted the hell out, sooooo NN encourages them to get through the program faster. Maybe even to break records to be the fastest through the program ever! 33% more profit to move them in and out in 60 vs. 90. At $1,450,000.00 it's good profit for one center. Consider too, they pay students who choose to stay $50.00/week. Woh!! Wait a minute, don't these states have min. wage laws?? It's profit x2!

Whoa, that's some serious profits!

According to Narconon license agreement, each Narconon center gives 10% of its gross income to Narconon International (which is run by the Sea Org / Scientology International Management)

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Documents/nn_lic_agr.pdf

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1. Consideration

a. As consideration for the grant herein made, and as a way to provide financial support for the
educational and charitable purposes of NARCONON INT, CENTER shall pay to NARCONON INT a
weekly fee equal to Ten Percent (10%) of its gross income
, including donations received to support its
services, after deduction of costs only of materials purchased from NARCONON INT or ABLE, investment
income, commissions received for referrals to other organizations, refunds and bounced checks (that have
previously been included in gross income).
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Post by: mefree on October 26, 2010, 09:12
One, if not the most profitable front groups and a method of recruitment for Scientology, IMO.
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Post by: Sunshine on October 26, 2010, 11:54
VonstephansonIII,

You mention there were fifty clients at the facility, according to the fire permit issued by the San Diego County Fire Marshal, their Major Use Permit and their licenses issued by the State the maximum number of clients they can have at that facility is 30 at any one time. The maximum number of staff at any one time is 15 for a total of 45 clients and staff, how many staff on site?

Narconon Southern California Form 990 reported total revenue $14,514,764.00 for 2008.
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Post by: Mary_McConnell on October 28, 2010, 14:19
Hi Sunshine, on the occupancy:
Narconon Southern California Sunshine Summit Lodge has a resident capacity of 30 and total occupancy that includes staff is 45

If you go to this link and search for Sunshine Summit Lodge, you can see that info and their ID# with ADP. This gets updated monthly.
http://www.adp.cahwnet.gov/licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf

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Post by: Sunshine on October 28, 2010, 15:53
Hi Mary_McConnell,

I am aware of the site thanks, the number of residents/staff that ADP uses originate from ADP’s Form 850 that is submitted to ADP by the San Diego County Fire Marshal.

If you check Huntington Harbor House (Narconon) http://www.adp.cahwnet.gov/licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf  indicates a Resident capacity of 27 and Total Occupancy of 49, when in fact they can only have a resident capacity of 6 and a Total capacity of 10, ADP has been aware of this but has not changed the document.

It would be great if VONSTEPHANSON III (sorry I misspelled it in earlier post) would filed a complaint (he may have) with ADP about the overcrowding and the drug use.
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 28, 2010, 21:43
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Post by: Sunshine on October 28, 2010, 22:41
VONSTEPHANSON III,

Sorry if I seem pushy, I understand you have higher priorities, your son was extremely lucky, it is a minimum of 30-45 minutes to town.

When someone is in a life threaten condition in Sunshine Summit they usually life flight them out.

How is your son doing?

If I can be of any assistance please pm me.
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Post by: mefree on October 28, 2010, 23:08
I'm preparing my complaint asap. It will also include the fact that my son was left unattended and forgot about in the sauna. This is what caused him to get sick. They compounded matters by not giving him first aid, a crucial treatment protocol for hyperthermia/hypoxia. HEAT stroke is an acute medical emergency.
I will also include the fact that there was no certified medical staff on sight. Then they asked him, as he was fighting to stay conscious, if he wanted to see a doctor? Heatstroke is the most severe form of the heat-related illnesses and is defined as a body temperature higher than 41.1°C (106°F) associated with neurologic dysfunction. Please note neurologic function. He was not capable of making a good decision, due to the symptoms he experienced while fighting to stay conscious. Anyone with first aid experience would have assessed his condition and acted appropriately. Unfortunately there are only those on staff who passed their wonderful course that lack those skills. It was some on the staff who stated "man we feared for your life, you looked real bad".

What happened to your son is criminal.
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Post by: Lorelei on October 28, 2010, 23:38
I am so sorry to hear about what happened to your son, and so thankful that you were able to retrieve him before something even worse happened. As many can tell you, sometimes worse things DO happen, and they are all tied, IMVHO, to the lack of oversight and sound medical practice at NNs. Their basic theories on "detoxification" are grossly and dangerously flawed and unscientific, and your gut feeling that NNs are essentially cash cows for a cult is dead on.

Good for you, retaining a lawyer. If I were in your shoes, I would do exactly the same thing. Let us know if we can help with any NN information your lawyer might need; we will do our best to provide it.
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 29, 2010, 23:53
The biggest push is apparently for Narconons. 

I suspect (just my opinion) that Narconons are a big cash cow for Scientology, which might explain the bigger emphasis on that particular front group.

That's my opinion also.

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Missions (also called Franchises) only give roughly 10% cut weekly uplines to SMI (Scientology Missions International) which is a subsection of Int Management.  Way To Happiness Foundation is not a huge cash cow, as far as I know.  WISE (World Institute of Scientology Enterprises) is a big cash cow for Int Management, I don't know why it's not pushed more in the graphic.

Does anyone know if the Narconons are subject to pay fees to WISE also?  I know they're not typically listed in the WISE directory as WISE businesses, but they probably use Hubbard Business Management "tech" to run the centers, so wouldn't they also have to pay?

Money for the books used in Narconon is probably paid either to Bridge Publications or Author Services, I would think.

Edit: Whoops!  Posted too fast before reading everything.  I see:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Documents/nn_lic_agr.pdf

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after deduction of costs only of materials purchased from NARCONON INT or ABLE

So there's an extra layer in there, with some money coming out at each one.  I know Narconon International and ABLE don't produce the books, worksheets, etc. themselves, so I would imagine they are purchased from Bridge or Author Services.

(This is why I shouldn't post so fast...)
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Post by: ethercat on October 30, 2010, 00:08
I'm preparing my complaint asap. It will also include the fact that my son was left unattended and forgot about in the sauna. This is what caused him to get sick. They compounded matters by not giving him first aid, a crucial treatment protocol for hyperthermia/hypoxia. HEAT stroke is an acute medical emergency.
I will also include the fact that there was no certified medical staff on sight. Then they asked him, as he was fighting to stay conscious, if he wanted to see a doctor? Heatstroke is the most severe form of the heat-related illnesses and is defined as a body temperature higher than 41.1°C (106°F) associated with neurologic dysfunction. Please note neurologic function. He was not capable of making a good decision, due to the symptoms he experienced while fighting to stay conscious. Anyone with first aid experience would have assessed his condition and acted appropriately. Unfortunately there are only those on staff who passed their wonderful course that lack those skills. It was some on the staff who stated "man we feared for your life, you looked real bad".

I think anyone with common sense, regardless of first aid training, would realize that someone in this condition should have medical attention.  This reminds me of the situation with Lisa McPherson (http://www.lisamcpherson.org/) where Lisa was in very bad shape, both physically and psychologically, and yet, no one took the initiative to seek real medical care for her, instead blindly following Hubbard's "Introspection Rundown (http://www.lisamcpherson.org/introspe.htm)" and believing it was the best thing for her.  What happens to people's common sense when they become part of Scientology (and apparently Narconon too)?
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on October 30, 2010, 00:09
Good for you, retaining a lawyer. If I were in your shoes, I would do exactly the same thing. Let us know if we can help with any NN information your lawyer might need; we will do our best to provide it.

Agreed.  We're pretty good diggers for information.   ||||9000||||
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: mefree on October 30, 2010, 00:20
Some additional information about heat stroke, a life threatening, medical emergency.

http://firstaid.webmd.com/tc/emergency-first-aid-for-heatstroke-topic-overview
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on October 31, 2010, 13:46
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Thank you, the one thing that sticks out here is the fact NN doesn't want anyone to think they have any ties to Scientology.Lets take for example Christian rehab. They advertise, they're up front, they want you to know their method. By definition Scientology IS a religion. Agree?

You're welcome. Some agree, some disagree, on the religion point.

http://people.ucalgary.ca/~nurelweb/papers/irving/scient.html
http://www.factnet.org/Scientology/is_religion.htm


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If everyone knew during the purchase/marketing phase that they were about to put their loved one into a religious entity, NN would suffer significantly.

Agree. Withholding this information is a deceptive advertising and recruitment method.

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NN refutes they have anything to do with Scientology, but they use the Hubbard material. They don't advertise that on their website. What they advertise is the "Hubbard Detox", that part  they don't hide. It's nowhere in the "Our Full Program Description" section at all. http://www.treatmentthatworks.com/. I can't find where they disclose the material/methodology they use, can you? Why is this important?
Because if I claim I'm not a religious based rehab, but all of, or most of the material I use is out of the Christian bible, or Jehovah's Witness bible, or the Koran, or Shamanism, or Occultism, or say any other religion, then is this not misrepresentation/Failure to Disclose?

Absolutely. As you are aware, the addict and family are extremely vulnerable in this situation and many times desperate.

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I mean it would be like saying we're not a Satanic Cult, but use the Black Bible designed by  followers of Satan. Isn't that what NN does? Don't buyers of the program have a right to know this before they buy? It's designed into the marketing program this way for a reason. Very clever. I'm not to trying to expose they are a religious entity, but for them to disclose their treatment methods. If the general public knew there are rehab centers across the country that contribute to the drug epidemic, I think they would vote to make it mandatory to divulge program methods i.e. 12-Step or prayer. The program method is NOT being disclosed/marketed, only the “Detox Method”.

Buyers have a right to know, but Narconon knows this would drive away potential customers.

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Community Access Channels are a way to expose rehab centers that do not disclose their methodology, and bringing to light a lack of standards in the alcohol/drug rehab arena. while not attacking NN directly, it's a way to bring to the attention of unknowing and vulnerable public looking for a treatment center. I still say petition for initiative. Vote!

Getting the word out via Community Access Channels is a very interesting idea. Federal and State agencies seem to be fairly inept at dealing with the problem, despite numerous complaints and allegations of fraud, abuse, poor or non-existent medical supervision, hospitalizations and deaths. 
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on November 02, 2010, 09:40
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Post by: Sunshine on November 09, 2010, 20:59
VONSTEPHANSON III,

There may be arguments in society as to alcoholism being a disease or not but it is crystal clear how the United States Government treats the disease of alcoholism;

From National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/FAQs/General-English/default.htm#disease
2. Is alcoholism a disease?
Yes, alcoholism is a disease. The craving that an alcoholic feels for alcohol can be as strong as the need for food or water. An alcoholic will continue to drink despite serious family, health, or legal problems.
Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime; it usually follows a predictable course; and it has symptoms. The risk for developing alcoholism is influenced both by a person's genes and by his or her lifestyle. (See also "Publications," Alcohol Alert No. 30: Diagnostic Criteria for Alcohol Abuse and Dependence.)
4. Can alcoholism be cured?
No, alcoholism cannot be cured at this time. Even if an alcoholic hasn't been drinking for a long time, he or she can still suffer a relapse. Not drinking is the safest course for most people with alcoholism.
 
From The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention;
 http://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/faqs.htm#beerWine
What is the difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse?
Alcohol abuse4 is a pattern of drinking that results in harm to one’s health, interpersonal relationships, or ability to work. Manifestations of alcohol abuse include the following:
•   Failure to fulfill major responsibilities at work, school, or home.
•   Drinking in dangerous situations, such as drinking while driving or operating machinery.
•   Legal problems related to alcohol, such as being arrested for drinking while driving or for physically hurting someone while drunk.
•   Continued drinking despite ongoing relationship problems that are caused or worsened by drinking.
•   Long-term alcohol abuse can turn into alcohol dependence.
Dependency on alcohol, also known as alcohol addiction and alcoholism4, is a chronic disease. The signs and symptoms of alcohol dependence include—
•   A strong craving for alcohol.
•   Continued use despite repeated physical, psychological, or interpersonal problems.
•   The inability to limit drinking.

The U.S. Supreme Court judgment;
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=385&invol=909#t3
This case presents the important question whether punishment may constitutionally be inflicted, pursuant to 647(f) of the California Penal Code, upon a person suffering from the disease of alcoholism-as distinguished from drunkenness or periodic, voluntary overindulgence in intoxicants.

I am contacting the California Drug and Alcohol Program (ADP) to solicit their official stance to the question of disease or not.

If the Federal Government has classified alcoholism as a disease and cannot be cured, can we find out if this is same position that the state governments adhere too.

I believe Narconon advertises it can cure alcoholism, according to the feds can’t be done, what do the states have to say?
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on November 10, 2010, 13:05
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Post by: ethercat on November 10, 2010, 17:53
The duplicate post sent to the Cornfield at the poster's request.  Please continue.

Narconon fails miserably in regard to a recognized standard established by the DSM. (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual for Mental Disorders).
The problems remains, as long as there is no "gold standard" in the psychiatric arena, treatment centers will continue to run unregulated. I'm not one for government control, but this is one area that needs attention. I've left some info here on what I expected before sending my son in for treatment in terms of the type of program acceptable by most in the rehab field. http://transformationstreatment.com/substance-abuse-treatment-program/.

Society continues with their head in the sand and the debate of whether or not is a choice or a disease remains. The traditional treatment info I sent you will give you a basic understanding of what one should be shooting for when looking for a treatment center. Maybe this can be used in an effort to bring to the public's attention the need for legislation or at the very least awareness. One idea is to move ahead with information that teaches the public what goes on when treatment centers are in it for dubious purposes. NN falls way short of any DSM criteria and public access television stations would be a great way to start a movement. Point is, get smart in regard to what a sound treatment protocol looks like and expose the truth.

Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime

  Thank you! Good work, one more feature of alcoholism/drug addiction is that it is progressive due to an increase in tolerance. This can be compared to other diseases and hence its classification as such. If a person abstains for a number of years after the brain experiences "adaptation" and begins to reuse, the time to return to the same dosages he ended with is normally very short. You've heard the term "he picked up where he stopped"?
This is a very predictable pattern with addiction. In other words, lets say the user takes 10 years to develop full blown addiction. Lets use 1 bottle of whiskey a night as a number. Then the user stops, gets sober and relapses. He wants to control his drinking, so he starts out with 1 or 2 drinks a night. Typically it will be a fairly short period of time and the addict will experience, "tolerance" and "loss of control" to bring him back to the higher number of drinks he was at when he stopped the first time. This shows that addiction is  progressive and chronic by nature. If a person could become addicted, stop and start all over again, without experiencing the need to increase dosage, then it would not be progressive. The fact that it is progressive shows that it is chronic, hence the word "disease". NN absolutely does not use a disease profile.  How many examples are there that differentiates NN from the disease profile and is it illegal?

1. Using the word "student" and not "patient".

2. Using the word "cure". The idea of a cure, or the implication of a cure.
Federal Trade Commission Section 5.Deceptive marketing.
(Thus, the Commission will find deception if there is a representation, omission or practice that is likely to mislead the consumer acting reasonably in the circumstances, to the consumer's detriment).

3.There is no aftercare in Narconon, and at graduation students are said to have learned what they need to live drug and alcohol free lives. Students are not considered to remain in recovery indefinitely as is more commonly assumed within the disease framework of addiction. This lends to the idea of that addiction is not chronic and there is a "cure" for addiction. Chronic disease cannot be cured.

4. NN states that when one relapses it's because they didn't confront their past. No mention of Post Acute Withdrawal or any other physiological condition in regard to brain function changes when they attempt to treat addiction. They only mention this in their marketing. Seems things change dramatically from ad to facility.

5.We endorse the philosophy that drug addiction is the result of bad choices or an inability to deal with specific circumstances and emotion. No mention of a genetic predisposition which is outlined in a disease profile approach.

6.Narconon advocates do not subscribe to the concept of addiction as a disease, and they insist that no further treatment is needed for life after the successful completion of a Narconon rehab.

Question is how far can one go when marketing and/or using a "cure" as a main selling feature of a product or service?

 Here are examples of where NN uses the word cure.

http://detox-narconon.org/
Addicts aren't cured until they can confront and handle the causes of their guilt and depression.

But handling physical cravings alone isn't enough to cure addiction.

http://www.prescription-drug-rehab.com/
Vista Bay employs the proven Narconon drug rehab plan, which has been proven to cure addicts of their substance abuse problems. Yes, you read that right – cure. Many other programs will insist that “once and addict, always an addict.” But vista Bay doesn’t see things that way.

http://www.drugrehab.net/2009/09/02/faq/
At Narconon we do not believe that curing addiction is possible by simply exchanging one addiction for another.

http://www.calnarconon.org/
Using a proven, yet unconventional recover program that combines much-needed vitamins, exercise, and time spent in our sauna, residents at Narconon Vista Bay Rehab receive treatment that has been proven to break and cure even the toughest substance abuse habits.

http://www.narconon-vancouver.org/marijuana-promotion-and-marketing/
More than 75% of the Narconon students who have finished the program do in fact cure themselves of their addiction.

http://www.detox-narconon.org/blog/crack-cocaine-abuse/cocaine-abuse-sex-and-porn-and-the-recipe-for-rehab/
What’s The Biggest Barrier To Cure Addiction?

http://www.getcured.org/faq.htm#philosophy
At Narconon we believe an individual can cure him or herself of addiction to alcohol and other drugs through application of the Narconon Program. We have proven this can be done successfully for more than 30 years.

http://www.drug-addiction.com/listings/stonehawk.htm
We offer a cure for addiction so you do not have to live life as an addict.

http://www.drugsno.com/narconon-faq/
At Narconon we believe an individual can cure him or herself of addiction to alcohol and other drugs through application of the Narconon Program.

http://www.drugrehabcentersusa.com/drug-treatment-latest-drug-treatment-news-narconon-drug-rehab-before-and-after-drug-addicts-methadone
CURE YOUR ADDICTION!
 
How far does the law allow one to go with false claims of a cure?
 
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Post by: mefree on November 10, 2010, 23:07
More on the subject:

http://www.drugrehabwiki.com/wiki/Disease_Model_of_Addiction
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Post by: VONSTEPHANSON III on February 09, 2011, 00:29
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Post by: sekh on February 09, 2011, 08:03
Without commenting to your lawsuit, which lies beyond my expertise, I can only say I hope you will succeed in showing to the court what a scam Narconon  is, and how dangerous the program can be, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

That "do birds fly"-conversation still pops up in my nightmares every now and then, and it has been over 20 years since I was at Narconon. It's just plain crazy, and you are right, it drives people to violence when they have to go through this over and over again, for hours.

Thanks for exposing this fraud for what it is.

Much strength and love, to you and to your son,

 Sekh.
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Post by: mefree on February 09, 2011, 17:53
Please keep us informed about how your complaints progress through the various agencies.

The advertising and referral scam is extremely deceptive. The vulnerability of the addict and family in this situation has always concerned me for several reasons.

For the addicted, there is often an urgency about seeking treatment once the decision is made to ask for help. With delay, it is very easy to change one's mind once the withdrawal symptoms begin to set in or "forget" just how bad the situation has truly become.

The family has usually been through the ringer. They are exhausted and desperate for help, too.

So, for me it is not too difficult to understand how people get duped by Narconon.

We really do need better standards for drug treatment in this country.

Thanks for speaking out about your family's experience with Narconon.
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Post by: Mary_McConnell on February 09, 2011, 17:55
Good idea, Sunshine! Good research!!
Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on April 03, 2011, 10:32
Reformatted and Quoted for posterity:

This place is a joke and harmful to the very people who need help recovering from addictive thinking! The following is intended for review for those who may be able to help my efforts in recovering payment for services not received.
                                                                                                                       10-19-2010
                                          LETTER OF DISPUTE
                                                               
      Dear _______________,

       This letter of dispute is in regard to a purchase made on 08-21-2010, to Narconon Southern California, Sunshine Summit Lodge, Warner Springs, San Diego County, California,  in the amount of $29,000.00 for services purchased in regard to  chemical dependence rehabilitation provided by Sunshine Summit Lodge, Narconon Southern California, Warner Springs, in San Diego County..

     Due to circumstances and conditions within the facility, my wife and I chose to pull my son -----, who was enrolled, from the program, on the fifty-third day of treatment in a long term residential in-patient program. The reason we chose to do so  was because we feared for his personal safety, spiritual and emotional well being due to negligence of staff at  Sunshine Summit Lodge, and policy of Narconon southern California.

      My son received an excessive amount of sauna treatment, due to the fact that the person in charge of caring for  students or “Sauna Specialist” forgot my son in the sauna, left my son in the sauna for an extended period of time unattended, thus suffered- heat stroke, followed by Hypoxia (turning blue), nearly losing consciousness.  There were witnesses of both staff and students to this event. It's assumed the  person in charge has no license in regard to medical emergency, due to the fact my son while struggling to stay conscious, was told by the staff in charge, to “go to lunch and wait it out”. According to my son the swimming pool was used to cool down, as standard procedure between sessions, but it had been emptied for repair/cleaning due to  problems. He was later told by Narconon staff to not use the shower, as it would shock his system. This advise was in error as recommended first aid would require immediate cooling of anyone suffering from heatstroke. My son followed instructions given by staff. In addition, please note, compromised critical and  cognitive thinking skills  are a symptom of heat stroke, and my son would  not have been capable of making a sound decision in regard to his own health at that time. The ambient temperatures in Warner Springs were well over 80-90 degrees not allowing him sufficient cool down in regard to first aid.

     After speaking with General Counsel for Narconon,  he claimed that it is not Narconons responsibility to monitor students while in the sauna, when in fact I believe Narconon has a responsibility to monitor progress of every student and it appears they attempt to do this with someone appointed as the “Sauna Specialist”. Temperatures were maintained  around 150-180 degrees according to the thermometer in the sauna. Please note, it is common behavior for recovering addicts to have a “quick fix mentality” that would in cases such as this, increase not only liability to a facility using
sauna as therapy, but could potentially increase the risk of heatstroke for the addict. In other words, if my son was pushing his stay time in the sauna, simply because he wanted to get the toxins out as quickly as possible, then it clearly put him at risk, which is Narconon's direct responsibility and would require monitoring from staff to insure safety. Addicts in early recovery are generally not capable or known for making sound decisions in regard to their own health. General counsel for Narconon also claimed to me per phone conversation, that they have never had an incident of injury to students from sauna treatment, when in fact there are documented cases that prove otherwise. Furthermore, it has come to my attention that there are no established or supported scientific studies that would indicate that sauna induced sweating has any benefit or accelerates the process of toxin removal.

      There are no licensed medical staff on sight.  I was led to believe this was a facility with licensed medical staff on sight, based on website advertising at www. treatmentthatworks.com. Please note the nurse photo in the “A word from our medical director”, which gives the strong impression to anyone looking for a treatment center that it is a staffed medical facility. This played a role in my decision to place my son in the care of their facility. It would be safe to assume that  anyone searching for a residential care facility would be led to believe they offer medical staff on their premises which was not the case.  Please note, my private Insurance Company,  states in their response to my appeal:  “The facility never had a physician or medical professional on their staff (or consulting) see you. When they did an initial exam, you were sent to an urgent care facility.”

      This substantiates and supports my claim, that even though they give the strong impression of on sight medical staff, there was none, causing negligence on the part of the facility to treat my son in a safe and professional manner, due to the fact that when  a medical emergency occurs at there facility, the initial assessment of whether or not to call for medical aid at their facility is made and determined by non-licensed staff or staff member. Furthermore, even more compelling,  in the Narconon web ad next to the nurse photo in the “A word from our medical director ”,  they clearly mislead the consumer by stating:

 “Our staff includes board-certified physicians and naturopaths with extensive training and experience in nutrition, vitamin and mineral supplementation, herbal therapies, prolotherapy, acupuncture, natural hormone replacement, chelation, intravenous nutrient therapies, and enhanced external counterpulsation (EECP)”.

     Once again, it is not unreasonable to assume that  anyone searching for help, would be misled into believing they have medical staff on sight, while using terminology like “board-certified” when they do not. Particularly when using terminology like “chelation” and “intravenous nutrient therapies”. Board Certified in this case, only means the person has graduated the Narconon/L. Ron Hubbard program, which is the Scientology based program. I would challenge Narconon to provide evidence that anyone at the Warner Springs facility had those credentials and training with license or degrees while my son was attending. The caregivers at this facility are NOT licensed professionals, as this ad leads you to believe. The distortion lies in the fact that most, if not all treatment centers have licensed care practitioners on sight, which is normally assumed by the consumer, to deal with complications such as acute withdrawal and seizure when sending a loved one to a chemical dependency treatment center. I ask, would any reasonable person not assume if one is sending someone to treat disease, that there would be licensed medical staff on sight?  I don't believe it is uncommon for anyone to think they will see a nurse or doctor when walking into a clinic or hospital.   

     Chemical Dependency/Alcoholism is after all, classified a disease by The National Institute on Drug Abuse-NIDA.  Addiction is defined as a chronic, relapsing brain disease that is characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences. It is considered a brain disease because drugs change the brain; they change its structure and how it works. These brain changes can be long lasting and can lead to many harmful, often self-destructive, behaviors. Common knowledge therefore, predicates the assumption of disease management when searching for a care facility.

      Narconon misleads the consumer into thinking  they offer medical professionals by their advertising, but they use the word “professional” in a distorted manner as they base that on advertising that statements such as, ...”with extensive training and experience in nutrition “. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the inconsistency of dosages of Niacin given by their staff range greatly from Narconon treatment center to treatment center across the United States, and this shows a lack of control and professionalism. The lack of control in dosages is only one example of misguided and unprofessional policy, but would lend to the idea that the person  responsible in control of Niacin, hands out dosages at whatever whim they decide. It is documented that their facilities administer Niacin at extremely high rates that put the recovering addict at risk. Narconon's claim that their use of Niacin at rates as high as 2000mg.-5000mg.in a single dose are intended to immobilize lipids and aid in faster detoxification rates is nothing more than junk science.

     Again, their use of misleading and false information is used to give the impression they are at the cutting edge of drug treatment therapy's when in fact there is solid scientific research that proves the opposite. Largely, studies show the use of  Niacin at high doses  is of  no benefit to detoxification for drugs and alcohol and in many cases harmful, which is the consensus of the medical community. 

      Not only is this deceptive and false advertising that needs attention from all agencies involved and addressed, but I also believe Narconon goes out of their way to avoid disclosing their treatment methodology, simply because their concept directly contradicts the accepted disease approach of treating addiction appropriately.

   I believe the effort to bring to light Narconons deception is important because false marketing and failure to disclose, often targets a very vulnerable segment of our population -- those suffering from serious or confounding health conditions and diseases such as chemical addiction.

     Unfortunately, the inappropriate and ineffective approach to drug treatment along with deceptive marketing that Narconon uses, goes largely unnoticed by the consumer who pays $20,000-$30,000 for treatment, and more importantly by agencies responsible for enforcement of quality care. One reason Narconon is allowed to continue, is simply because drug addiction is complicated, misunderstood by laymen, and can be difficult  to treat. Most outside of the treatment care arena don't carry the
knowledge in respect to sound rehabilitation therapy protocol, or don't know whats required to obtain a “quality recovery”. For this reason I believe Narconon takes advantage of the unsuspecting and unknowledgeable with the tactics they use.

      In addition the FTC requires that a  proof requirement be met, in order for deceptive marketing to occur, which I believe, I prove as follows:

PROOF REQUIREMENT
To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.
 
    Heatstroke is an acute medical emergency for which their facility failed to treat with first aid, as there was no licensed  medical staff on sight to properly deal with his condition, nor did they provide any follow up care. This came to my attention, at a  later date from my son, as the staff failed to notify me of what had transpired at their facility. This occurred partially because of Narconons inability to provide emergency health care by licensed staff. It is my contention, given the circumstances that occurred with heatstroke, they did not and could not administer appropriate care,
while leading me,  the consumer to believe the contrary. Had Narconon been able to provide my son with adequate first aid in rapid cool down, the potential for complications caused by extended elevated core temperatures would have been avoided. There is no question of the severity of his condition when he turned color. The students who witnessed his condition later said “----- we thought we were going to lose you, you looked real bad”.

       The second issue of concern, was after another student,  was released from the Warner Springs facility on leave of absence. This same student returned after his LOA with a substance and shared with my son and one other student, while undergoing treatment as a resident for chemical dependency.

This is a failure to perform services for which I paid and negligence on the  part of  Narconon Southern California to provide a  safe environment and  including protection from the very thing for which he is being treated. In this instance, Narconon failed in protecting their students from drugs entering their facility.  This incident occurred on approximately the 48th day of stay and it  was brought to my attention by S.S.L. Staff on the next day my son had used a substance called “Spice”, a mind altering form of synthetic chemicals.

     My wife and I made arrangements and prepared to drive the 1,300 mile trip to retrieve my son and place him into another facility, as this was the final straw in regard to his safety and it became apparent to us the type of facility he was in. He is currently undergoing treatment in an outpatient facility capable of  providing quality care.
   
       The third area of concern is the fact that Narconon Southern California has a maximum occupancy of  30 patients (students) as listed in the Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs Licensing and Certification Division Status Report for the State of California, San Diego County, expiring 03-31-2012. This listing can be found here: http://www.adp.cahwnet.gov/licensing/pdf/Status_Report.pdf.
 
   From the time of enrollment throughout his stay for 53 days, my son resided with approximately double the the students allowed under the listing of Narconon Sunshine Summit Lodge. This is clearly in Breach of Contract as they are unable to provide services for which I paid in a proper and efficient manner due to over occupancy. The total number does not include staff and puts them even further over the number allowed.

      The fourth area of concern was that my son was exposed to a profane, degrading and abusive language. The verbal abuse came from the staff, who is in charge of care. The fact that someone goes in for drug treatment that is emotionally challenged during this time faces this type of treatment is despicable. This occurred after the he engaged in and was reported using drugs on the premises and when the staff was informed we were on our way to remove him from the program. As a consequence, the staff chastised him, using foul and profane language, screaming in his face, while degrading him as a person. This is just one more example of how unprofessional the staff at this facility was and in violation of code I  am providing below. He was then pulled from the classes, forced into manual labor on the premises, cleaning weeds from a field for the remaining days, for 12  hours/day. No where does any quality care center use the “labor tactic” as a treatment protocol. Forcing someone into manual labor for free is an unacceptable treatment protocol by any standard. This common   practice is Narconon's position that this is not punishment, but standard procedure known as “ethics”.

   Please note their staff consists merely of students who have passed the program, requiring no licensed certification in drug rehab counseling. They claim the student needs to “think about what he has done”.  Didn't the student get into drug addiction because of his best thinking in the first place?  It's outrageous to think that a student should be left to sort out his issues on his own. This only increases the shame one has for himself when dealing with addiction. Recovering addicts are extremely vulnerable at the stage he was in and was at risk emotionally for relapse due to unacceptable treatment and excessive pressure from the staff.  This cannot be considered acceptable therapy by any measure.

  It's just a way for staff to get work around the facility done while calling it therapy. I consider the time spent at S.S.L. a set-back and harmful to my son's recovery.

      The fifth area to address is that my son was promised he could attend church services, but was denied because he is Seventh Day Adventist and he was told they do not provide rides to church service on Saturday. He was given the opportunity to attend Catholic church services on Sunday. He is not Catholic and this is clearly in violation of the codes I have provided. He was not provided services for which I paid. 

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Title: Re: Purification induced heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on April 03, 2011, 10:46
Please note (2),(4) and (6) in the codes below.

 
Barclays Official California Code of Regulations Currentness
Title 9. Rehabilitative and Developmental Services
Division 4. Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
Chapter 5. Licensure of Residential Alcoholism or Drug Abuse Recovery or Treatment Facilities
Subchapter 3. Compliance Requirements
Article 3. Program Services
 § 10569. Personal Rights.

(a) Each resident shall have personal rights which include, but are not limited to, the following:
(1) The right to confidentiality as provided for in Title 42, Subchapter A, Part 2 Sections 2.1 through 2.67-1, Code of Federal Regulations.

(2) To be accorded dignity in personal relationships with staff and other persons.

(3) To be accorded safe, healthful and comfortable accommodations to meet his or her needs.

(4) To be free from intellectual, emotional and/or physical abuse.

(5) To be informed by the licensee of the provisions of law regarding complaints including but not limited to the address and telephone number of the department.

(6) To be free to attend religious services or activities of his or her choice and to have visits from a spiritual advisor provided that these services or activities do not conflict with facility program requirements. Participation in religious services will be voluntary only.

(b) All residents shall be personally advised of, and given at admission, a copy of the rights specified in (a)(1) through (6) above.

NOTE: Authority cited: Section 11834.50, Health and Safety Code. Reference: Sections 11834.01 and 11834.50, Health and Safety Code.

      The sixth area, which is of grave concern, has to do with the material being used provided by Narconon southern California. This involves  Internet Fraud, Failure to Disclose and Deceptive Marketing Practices. The material being used and it's the only material to treat students for chemical dependency are books written by author and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. This was never, disclosed during the discussion we had with S.S.L. Narconon, at the time of signing, nor is it mentioned in their “OUR  FULL PROGRAM DESCRIPTION” section that can be found on their web page. Please refer to www.treatmentthatworks.com. The only mention of  L. Ron Hubbard, has to do with the sauna detox program developed by him. If we as parents with Christian beliefs, faith and values had been advised or at the very least, given some indication of the material being used and the treatment methodology before the program started, we would have never  enrolled  my son into this process.  It is clearly against our religious belief as a family and feel we were taken advantage of  by them in desperate and dire circumstances. Even though they  vehemently deny they have anything to do with Scientology, the  material they use and prescribe cannot not be denied.  It is all books and material written by L. Ron  Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.  They also boast of an astonishing success rate (80% or better!).  Narconon is based entirely on the works and  teachings of Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and they use a two pronged approach of saunas  and education to “cure” addicts from their dependencies. Narconon advocates do not subscribe to the concept of addiction as a disease, and they insist that no further treatment is needed for life after the successful completion of a Narconon rehab.  The concepts they use are completely oppositional to chemical dependency treatment protocols accepted in the  professional behavioral health arena.

  Commanding ashtrays to  “stand up”! In a loud voice without reservation, is one example of the bizarre methods they use. The training routines being used are so far disconnected in terms of value, and bizarre by nature that it's obvious this is nothing more than a program designed to benefit Narconon and those they recruit.

      Narconon seems also to be an indoctrination ground for Scientology, and they prey on the vulnerable battling with addiction to increase their numbers and finances.  They do not offer what they promise, and they may do more harm than good. Here are examples of what my son experienced during his stay.  After the "cleansing ritual" for the body follows the "purification of the spirit." The first session for beginners consists of sitting and staring each other in the eye for an hour. After that they  partake in a nonsensical dialogue. For example:

Student: Do birds fly?
Student: Yes
Student: Thanks. Do birds fly?
Student: No
Student: Thanks. Do birds fly?
Student: Maybe.
  The "dialogue" is repeated for hours and hours each day. In an "advanced" exercise, the student   stands before a blank wall.
Student Assistant: Look at this wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Go over to the wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Touch the wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Turn around.
Student: Thank you.
  Then on to the next wall. The ritual continues up to eight hours a day.
  The monotonous courses go on until the "student" has an experience of "awakening."
   The  TR's (training routines) are then executed trough out the program using the work of L. Ron Hubbard as the base material. There are no other alternatives within the  program. As a consequence, my son was placed in a “no win” situation to either be force fed the  material or face negative

  consequences known as “ethics”. This was executed by the staff in an profane and angry manner on a daily basis. In fact my son witnessed students retaliating with violence (an awakening) after becoming so distressed from the repetitive TR's,  and it was only after these displays of angry and violent outbursts, either damaging walls or throwing chairs, that the students were passed in recognition of their behavior.  Some chose to resist engaging in the TR's and were then passed, able to move forward to the next book in the program. This organization promotes and incites violent behavior. The stay for my son was beyond difficult as this program  directly challenged  his core religious beliefs. It wasn't until I began to research who L. Ron Hubbard was, which took time, that I was able to discover how the organization operates.  A big part of the problem with Narconon is that at first glance what they say seems very reasonable, seems scientific, and they seem to offer a very legitimate and relatively affordable way to rehab off of drugs or alcohol, but they are not forthcoming with what their philosophy was, what  materials they use, and what their program consisted of.  I regret I didn't listen to my sons requests to look into who they are sooner after his admission. Because of deceptive marketing, I was led to believe everything to the contrary in respect to what kind of methodology is being used and what to expect. I was even told,  by Narconon representative that the 12-step program does not work for the particular drug(s) my son was using as a main selling point. They also told me that group therapy does not work for Meth and Opiate addiction. Their attempt in this case was to sell me on the idea that they use alternative treatment therapy's with 70%-80% success rates. I know now these numbers are inflated and conventional mainstream rehab  centers use figures closer to 2%-20% success rates. I should have seen that as a red flag, but I was desperate, the very thing narconon capitalizes on.

     By this time with everything that had transpired within the facility, it was time to remove my son from the program and place him into a facility that did not use materials designed by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology.

      The last area, has to do with flat out deceptive marketing and failure to disclose. On the website in the “A word from our medical director” section at www.treatmentthatworks.com, there is a photo of a nurse with a lab coat, stethoscope and clipboard, giving anyone intending to use their service, the impression  they have certified medical staff on sight. They do not. In fact in the event of a medical emergency, they contact emergency services off sight. This is clearly deceptive marketing, as the only people who are “specialists” are students who graduated the Narconon program and have become members of the organization and are in no way equipped to interpret the possibility of seizure, delirious, cardiac arrhythmia, or hallucinations, that are phenomena associated with the cessation of drugs. There  is also a potential risk of the reported re-experience of the abused drug effect during the sauna sweat out program, may be the result of misinterpreted symptoms of hyperthermia or electrolyte imbalance which is what happened to my son. Moreover, the multiple findings of fact entered by individual drug and alcohol program board's across the country, establish that Narconon's program is not safe. It is clear, had I been  informed before hand and understood, the unprofessional, untrained and dangerous program my son was entering, I would have looked else where. They are incredibly efficient at marketing deception and this lured my wife and I into something other than what we where told it would be. Every consumer has an undeniable right in this country to protection from indiscriminate violators using deceptive marketing tactics to lure in the unsuspecting. As stated by the Federal Trade Commission in sec. 5, “ The basic question is whether the act or practice is likely to affect the consumer's conduct or decision with regard to a product or service”.

     There  is a sharp contrast from internet ad to inside the facility. Two examples of living poor conditions were brown drinking water and only one washing machine in service for 50+ students. An example of Narconons program was when my son had other students smoking in his room and he couldn't keep them out. Tyler is a nonsmoker. When he complained to staff about his dilemma, they told him to tell them to “F--- off” and “get the F--- out. What happened to being assertive? What kind of social skills do they train? None. This is not what I paid for.

  Once again, examples of a low class, unprofessional environment run by people that know nothing about addiction management. Only the work of LRH.

      Narconons program clearly is dangerous for those seeking help for a progressive and chronic disease, while leaving the afflicted without the help they need. The drug treatment program offered by Narconon, is an experimental treatment and not proven safe or effective and is not in accord with the highest standards accepted in medical practice. No scientifically well-controlled independent, long-term outcome studies can be found that directly and clearly establish the effectiveness of the Narconon program for the treatment of chemical dependency and the more credible evidence establishes Narconon's program is not effective.

     The Narconon program does not conform to the principles of traditional chemical dependency treatment as stated by my private health insurance. Here are examples of what is considered an acceptable, traditional program protocol within the criteria limits outlined by my private health insurance.

  I. Addiction/Alcoholism Defined
Definition
Addiction is a condition in which a person develops bio-psycho-social dependence on any mood-altering substance.
Addicts use for the effects or short-term gratification.
The addicted person uses the drug to relieve the pain created by using the drug.
Factors
Hereditary: Genetic factors.
Developmental: Childhood neglect, physical, emotional, and/or sexual abuse.
Environmental: Drug use and accompanying behaviors.
Mood Disorders/Personality Disorders/Substance Abuse.
Progression of Dependency
Short-Term Gratification
Long-Term Pain
Addictive Thinking
Increases Tolerance
Loss of Control
Bio-psycho-social Damage
Drug Classification/Drugs of Abuse
Depressants
Stimulants
Narcotics
Marijuana
Hallucinogens
Inhalants
Psychopharmacology
Neurotransmitters and brain chemistry
Physical withdrawal vs. mental 
II. Recovery Dynamics
History
Beginnings of AA and the origin of the steps.
Treatment
12-Step fellowships
Recovery Stages
Pre-treatment: Recognizing the problem
Stabilization: Withdrawal and Crisis management.
Early Recovery: Acceptance and non-chemical coping
Middle Recovery: Balanced Living
Late Recovery: Personality Change
Maintenance: Growth and Development
 
Powerlessness and Unmanageability
Define powerlessness’ two components.
mental obsession
physical cravings
Relate addicts’ powerlessness to family dynamics.
Unmanageability: “The Life Circle”
Instinct-cognitive-behavioral model
III. Family Dynamics
Family systems: natural social systems, organized power structure; assigned roles, intricate forms of communication
The Diseased family
Denial
Anger: displaced anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
C. Family roles: survival roles; roles can change with time
Chief enabler
Family hero
Family scapegoat
Lost child
Family mascot
Family rules: 1-10
System Dynamics
Review chart of survival roles, predominant feelings, etc.
Changing role behaviors
Effects of addiction on the Family; family where chemical dependency is prevalent tend to be dysfunctional even before onset of addiction
Codependency: the whole family becomes addicted to the dysfunctional family system.
Codependency messages 1-25
Resultant feelings & dynamics: stress, anger, displaced anger, denial, frustration, depression, fear, tension, rejection, blame, hurt, “no talk rules”, control issues, isolation, compulsion, mistrust, suspicion, enabling behaviors...both ways, etc.
IV. Relapse Prevention
Developmental Model of Recovery
Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms
Relapse Warning Signs
Daily Relapse Prevention Plan
Mistaken Beliefs About Recovery
Functional Analysis of Triggers
V. Process Groups
Processing of Emotions
Interpersonal Communication
Projection and Identification
Social Anxiety
Codependency
Honesty
Types of Process Groups
Psychotherapy groups: Checking in with clients, encouraging discussion among group members.
Gender Groups: Clients are split into male/female and gender specific issues are processed.
Feelings: Teaching clients to identify and positively cope with emotions.
Letting go: Identifying situations and relationships that are impeding one’s recovery.
Managing high stress situations: Identifying high stress situations, developing a positive coping mechanism and strategies for dealing with them successfully.
Facades: Identifying and understanding the masks used as defensive mechanisms.
Communication Skills: Discovering positive communication methods and developing interpersonal skills.
CBT Cognitive Behavioral Therapy group. Understanding how thoughts produce emotions and emotions determine behaviors. Challenging maladaptive schemes.
VI. Mood Disorder Group: is an interactive psycho-educational group for the purpose of educating clients about dual diagnosis. The goal is for clients to understand and be better able to deal with the presented disorder(s). Also, the client's own strengths, resources and coping skills are reinforced, in order to avoid relapse and contribute to their own health and wellness on a long-term basis.
Example topics and processes are as follows:
Symptoms of mood disorders such as, Depression and Bipolar, as well as other DSM-IV disorders commonly associated with Substance Abuse.
Effect of alcohol and drug abuse on brain chemistry
Treatment options
Recommended behavioral solutions to increase coping skills
VII. Traditional Group: is a process group focusing on the fundamentals of AA/NA meetings and the process of working the steps. The goal is to meet clients where they are in this process and familiarize them with AA/NA program. Clients will be given opportunity to disclose their current work on steps 1, 2, and possibly step 3, and any difficulty they may be having. Also, clients can work through ambivalence about going to meetings and getting a sponsor as recommended for aftercare.
VIII. Changes In Recovery

 This group is designed on the Transtheoretical Model of Change which allows clients to create a strategy to facilitate change. This group focuses on:
Communication
Effective refusals
Relationships
Managing thoughts and emotions
Developing an Action Plan
Social Support
IX. Life Skills
Nutritional & Physical Exercise
Employment & Finances
Communication Skills
Conflict Resolution
Decision Making Skills
Stress Management/Relaxation
Goal Setting/Time Management
Support Systems/Work & Family Life

  Narconon does not address addiction management from an acceptable scientific approach, nor did they inform me of the bizarre methods used. They do not address addiction management from a disease approach. I did not expect to pay for pseudoscience and this is what I was sold.
 
  Narconon does a very good job of hiding who they are in marketing their program to the point of “bait and switch”. It's beyond belief these people are allowed to continue to stay in business.

  Please note that there are additional complaints being prepared at this time for further consideration.
   
   I am filing a formal/written complaint to the California Department of Alcohol Drug Programs for review , The FBI-Internet Fraud Dept.
 
   I have filed a complaint with  The Federal Trade Commission under section 5,  FTC Ref. No. 28171264.

   I will be contacting my State Representatives on behalf of insufficient legislation in regard to these matters. Please note that Narconon is not affiliated with Narcotics Anonymous.
   
  I am in contact with Narconon demanding a full refund in the amount of $29,000.00 for the cost of treatment..
   
  At this time I am disputing this transaction based on the reasons as follows:
1.Negligence
2.Failure to Disclose/Deception
3.Internet Fraud
4.Breach of Contract   
5.Medical Malpractice                                     
       
                                                                                     Sincerely,
 

Yes, I'm also preparing a complaint to the California ADP. There are numerous violations they're guilty of and refuse to take responsibility. The longer this drags out the bigger it gets, I just want a refund so I can treat my son in a facility that can keep substances out of the hands of addicts while they're in treatment! Why would anyone want to pay $30,000 for a loved one to go into to treatment and use drugs? He could have stayed home and done that for free!

Have you filed your complaint with the California ADP?
Title: Purifcation Induced Heatstroke
Post by: mefree on May 01, 2011, 21:00
It appears another person has been silenced.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to get their money back from Narconon, but I am sickened by these gag agreements.

This man's son almost died.

The title of this thread was originally "Purification Induced Heatstroke."
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Fortunately, a few of us managed to quote some of his posts and ethercat was able to reformat some of what was posted.
Title: Re: Purifcation Induced Heatstroke
Post by: ethercat on May 01, 2011, 21:11
It appears another person has been silenced.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to get their money back from Narconon, but I am sickened by these gag agreements.

This man's son almost died.

The title of this thread was originally "Purification Induced Heatstroke."
8-O)--|#|

Fortunately, a few of us managed to quote some of his posts and ethercat was able to reformat some of what was posted.

Yes, in fact, the title as "N" looks so peculiar, I'm wondering if I should edit the original title back in...  Or is it more intriguing as it is?  Opinions anyone?

Title: Re: N
Post by: Stutroup on May 01, 2011, 21:35
I think the original title needs to be there.  If nothing else, it will help direct searches to the thread, and this can stand as a clear example of how Scientology hides its criminal activity.

The entire ordeal is sickening. Scientology and its front groups (I'm tempted to add some links to help Google make the association, if you know what I mean) are allowed to silence critics -- and legally, at that.  It's absolutely sickening.

It's why the rest of us should refuse silence.
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 01, 2011, 21:44
Narconon Practicing Medicine Without a Licence?

Video has been uploaded to Youtube a few minutes ago. Will post here
when it is finished processing.
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 01, 2011, 21:47
Narconon Practicing Medicine Without a Licence?

Video has been uploaded to Youtube a few minutes ago. Will post here
when it is finished processing.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1L-Cxgz2-w

The state Supreme Court has ruled that even treatments that involve non-prescription drugs, vitamins or foods constitute unlicensed practice if they're offered by a person who lacks a doctor's license or state approval to work as a homeopathic physician or nutritionist. "The overarching concern is there are licenses required in this state for being involved in nutrition and dietitian practices as well as medicine," said Grossman, the assistant attorney general.

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Title: Re: N
Post by: mefree on May 01, 2011, 22:29
Thanks for the video, Intelligence. Very informative!
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 01, 2011, 22:53
Thanks for the video, Intelligence. Very informative!
Canada Federal Election is tomorrow, May 2, 2011.

Following results, appropriate Politicians will be Lobbied for a Federal Health Cerification of ALL Rehab Facilities.

Certification comes into effect in Quebec, Canada, in July 2011, but this does not prevent the Trois-Rivieres Narconon of simply moving to a friendly Province such as Ontario. There is also a Narconon in Alberta, operating out of a house at $30,000.00, plus per patient.

The Canadian Public deserves protection Canada Wide from this dangerous Scientology-Narconon Rehab Exploitation Ring.
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 02, 2011, 03:26
Have medical dox while at NN TR showing staff member had called
scientology physician in Montreal, and unilaterally had the dosage
reduced by 40%, which a family physician had prescribed appropriate
dose for several years.

Patient condition was very serious and posed a life threat.

Not going to say anymore; don't want pharmacy file to go missing.

Dox are what will bury Narconon Trois-Rivieres and we have one hell of a pile. :) :) :)

Have copy ;)
Title: Re: N
Post by: mefree on May 02, 2011, 06:19
Have medical dox while at NN TR showing staff member had called
scientology physician in Montreal, and unilaterally had the dosage
reduced by 40%, which a family physician had prescribed appropriate
dose for several years.

Patient condition was very serious and posed a life threat.

Not going to say anymore; don't want pharmacy file to go missing.

Dox are what will bury Narconon Trois-Rivieres and we have one hell of a pile. :) :) :)

Have copy ;)

Dosage of ? Can you tell us what the family physician was treating the patient for? Seizures?? Diabetes??

This could be very serious, indeed.

Thanks for the updates.
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 02, 2011, 13:11
Have medical dox while at NN TR showing staff member had called
scientology physician in Montreal, and unilaterally had the dosage
reduced by 40%, which a family physician had prescribed appropriate
dose for several years.

Patient condition was very serious and posed a life threat.

Not going to say anymore; don't want pharmacy file to go missing.

Dox are what will bury Narconon Trois-Rivieres and we have one hell of a pile. :) :) :)

Have copy ;)

Dosage of ? Can you tell us what the family physician was treating the patient for? Seizures?? Diabetes??

This could be very serious, indeed.

Thanks for the updates.

No, I can't. They would know who the patient was, who phoned, and then the pharmacy. We've already had medical files at the TR Hospital go missing. I'll PM you.
Title: Re: N
Post by: Intelligence on May 02, 2011, 13:27
Have medical dox while at NN TR showing staff member had called
scientology physician in Montreal, and unilaterally had the dosage
reduced by 40%, which a family physician had prescribed appropriate
dose for several years.

Patient condition was very serious and posed a life threat.

Not going to say anymore; don't want pharmacy file to go missing.

Dox are what will bury Narconon Trois-Rivieres and we have one hell of a pile. :) :) :)

Have copy ;)

Dosage of ? Can you tell us what the family physician was treating the patient for? Seizures?? Diabetes??

This could be very serious, indeed.

Thanks for the updates.

Now you see how serious this 'Practicing Medicine Without a Licence" is. How many more are going to die. There were two at NN TR while I was there, who very well could have died. My very dear Friend did die, only 3 weeks ago. She was there at NN TR, but was short just a few weeks of completing program. Drugs were smuggled in and I was at the NN apartment complex with the Senior Ethics Officer when the search was on. He was too bloody drunk to go to NN TR and assist the Junior Ethics Officer. I was there when the phone call came in for help. ad the NN TR Staff not been so screwed up on Cocaine and Booze and partying all the time, the drugs may have been found. Two Staff members were falling down drunk one night, that I had to take a Taxi downtown and literally pick them up off the side-walk. This was the same apartment complex where the guns were and the ex-patient was passed a gun over the balcony and ended up shooting himself in the head.

NN TR is a crazy, VERY DANGEROUS place to send an addict or alcoholic to. They are risking their life. This is why I never stop exposing and writing about it. It's unbelievable!