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Rock Center Narconon
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2012, 20:01 »
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/

Thanks! I think we have this posted around, but it doesn't hurt to give it a little bit more attention.
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2012, 20:17 »
In all the craziness of my dy yesterday, I forgot to post this here  ::)

UPDATE : Rock Center Narconon Deaths Report 16th August
Here is an UPDATE on the segment which will run on Thursday at 10 p.m./9 p.m. Central on “Rock Center with Brian Williams.” Please share

Check out the 6.4 minute video just released
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rock-center/48648051

The show centers on the three deaths (Stacy Murphy, 20; Hillary Holten, 21; and Gabriel Graves, 32) that happened at the Narconon flagship facility in Arrowhead, Oklahoma in the last year.

More information:

Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Kirstie Alley have all touted the success of Narconon, a drug rehabilitation program based on the teachings of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.

Narconon says it is a non-medical rehabilitation program. Its methods include spending up to five hours a day in a sauna for 30 days straight and mega doses of the vitamin, Niacin. But three mysterious deaths in the last year have left families mourning loved ones who died while under the care of Narconon. The three deaths occurred at the rehab’s flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead, located in Oklahoma.

Narconon International declined Rock Center's request for an interview, but in statements said, it has served "tens of thousands of people" and "three out of four Narconon graduates are able to live stable, drug-free lives."

The CEO of Narconon Arrowhead, Gary Smith, said that due to privacy laws, he cannot comment on the deaths, but said he and his staff are devastated by the loss of young lives.

"Our prayers are with the families of the deceased," said Smith in a statement.

Link: http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rock-center/48648051

ps: Scientologists like Gary Smith don't pray. That's the same lip service Narconon Arrowhead gave all the families and other media.  >:(
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2012, 23:40 »
 I rarely watch mainstream television , But I made an exception tonight. David Love did a very good job with the limited on camera time allowed.It was good to see this report aired. Hopefully this will make the state actually act upon this sad situation. ;D

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 07:05 »
I rarely watch mainstream television , But I made an exception tonight. David Love did a very good job with the limited on camera time allowed.It was good to see this report aired. Hopefully this will make the state actually act upon this sad situation. ;D

Nice job by everyone involved. I especially appreciated the rehab referral scam mention at the end.
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 10:33 »
Even Marty Rathbun has posted about this: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/narconon-scientology-inc-cover-up/

Seems an email went out to scientologists urging them to hassle NBC and overwhelm them with messages about how Narconon has saved people.  It's common for scientologists to do letter writing campaigns, all in the name of KSW (Keeping Scientology Working).

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We need a favor, more of a 3D/4D favor. I am reaching out to you
because I know you can be tone 40 about this. It is a short cycle
but needs push.

Narconon is about to get a big attack on NBC news tonight.
Same old crap, we’ve survived it before and will again but your help is
needed. This is of course a Scientology attack as well.

We got instructions from up the line to have everyone call in and
complain about  this one sided biased show and say that they
personally know people whose  lives have been saved by NN. ...

...

... Don’t use Scientology lingo. Leave a
message and let me know when done.

Can you do this?

Sigal Adini
Narconon Drug Prevention and Rehab
Addiction Treatment and Drug
Abuse Prevention Specialist

More at the link: http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2012/08/16/narconon-scientology-inc-cover-up/


Of course, I disagree with many of the commenters' conclusions that this is all the fault of David Miscavige - NN is/was rotten from the get-go, and is only made worse by the blinded scientologists who run it.
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 19:06 »
That was terrific show.

Some followup effect:

Lawmaker: Legislation will address rehab deaths
By Associated Press @ tulsaworld.com
Published: 8/17/2012  5:10 PM
Last Modified: 8/17/2012  5:10 PM

OKLAHOMA CITY — An Oklahoma lawmaker said he'll propose legislation to regulate drug treatment practices following the deaths of three people at a drug rehabilitation center in Canadian.

Democratic state Sen. Tom Ivester said Friday that he believes the state should enact strict regulations on the type of treatments offered by Narconon Arrowhead. [..]

[..] Ivester offered no specifics of his proposal — but said he believes the state can impose "strict regulations" on drug treatment programs.
Read more from this Tulsa World article at
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=336&articleid=20120817_336_0_OLHMIY440728
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 19:31 »
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[..] Ivester offered no specifics of his proposal — but said he believes the state can impose "strict regulations" on drug treatment programs.

Why couldn't they do this before people died?? /rhetorical

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Scientology Followers Told To Protest NBC 'Rock Center' Report On Narconon
17 August 2012, 6:07 pm

By Jen Heger - Radar Assistant Managing Editor Before Rock Center broadcast its expose on Narconon, which is based on the teachings of Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard , an e-mail was allegedly sent out to followers of the controversial religion, requesting that "We got instructions from up the line to have everyone call in and complain about this one-sided, biased show and say that they ...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2012/08/scientology-followers-told-protest-nbc-rock-center-narconon-report

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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 22:02 »
Why couldn't they do this before people died?? /rhetorical

What he said.  Why can't they all do this?

I guess it's kind of like the stoplight on the corner - everyone who lives there knows there should be a light, but it takes an important person's death to bring it home to the people with the ability to put a streetlight there. 

In Oklahoma, it's too bad it took multiple deaths to drive the point home, but perhaps other people will be saved, and the deaths won't have been in vain.
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 22:19 »
They already have the laws. And they know Narconon violates the laws.

  • Narconon dispenses niacin at levels normally requiring a prescription;
  • They override doctors decisions when they prevent clients from taking prescribed medications for epilepsy, diabetes,  etc;
  • They far exceed the sauna mfg's recommended 10-15 minute time limit while operating the saunas at temperatures above the mfg's safe rating;
  • On site personnel have had no real medical or rehab training and exhibit a pattern of complete disregard for clients' physical and emotional well-being during and after treatment;
  • The required affiliated medical personnel are absent mentally or physically at crucial times;
  • Narconon advertises ridiculously fraudulent success rates, uses fake referral sites, and pays for client referrals; 
  • and evidenced based evaluations for this program, based on quack-science SO bad it's "not even wrong" are non-existent, which explains why they also have no accreditation by any reputable organization. 

New laws may help, but this is doubtful, especially if there is no follow-up action by dedicated people with the integrity and stamina to endure the fair-gaming and enforce the existing laws.

And it won't be over until the parent group is held accountable for its role in all this, as they will simply spawn more bogus "public betterment" programs.  IMHO.

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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 22:28 »
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New laws may help, but this is doubtful, especially if there is no follow-up action by dedicated people with the integrity and stamina to endure the fair-gaming and enforce the existing laws.

Or the money and fortitude necessary for a lengthy litigation.  Good post!
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2012, 22:40 »
Ah yes, big point - the money and fortitude required has exhausted and defeated individuals, city councils, as well as state and federal agencies. But each battle helps to throw a little more light on these parasites.

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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2012, 10:45 »
They already have the laws. And they know Narconon violates the laws.

  • Narconon dispenses niacin at levels normally requiring a prescription;
  • They override doctors decisions when they prevent clients from taking prescribed medications for epilepsy, diabetes,  etc;
  • They far exceed the sauna mfg's recommended 10-15 minute time limit while operating the saunas at temperatures above the mfg's safe rating;
  • On site personnel have had no real medical or rehab training and exhibit a pattern of complete disregard for clients' physical and emotional well-being during and after treatment;
  • The required affiliated medical personnel are absent mentally or physically at crucial times;
  • Narconon advertises ridiculously fraudulent success rates, uses fake referral sites, and pays for client referrals; 
  • and evidenced based evaluations for this program, based on quack-science SO bad it's "not even wrong" are non-existent, which explains why they also have no accreditation by any reputable organization. 

New laws may help, but this is doubtful, especially if there is no follow-up action by dedicated people with the integrity and stamina to endure the fair-gaming and enforce the existing laws.

Good points, snippy.  Certainly the existing laws need to be enforced.  Perhaps any new laws could be aimed at forcing the agencies responsible for enforcing the existing laws to enforce them or be fined or otherwise more severely sanctioned.  Perhaps there are already laws of that type which also just need to be enforced.  And where does it end?  There are already more laws that govern only one area (for instance, one city, one county, one state, one country) than any one person within that area can possibly read completely and understand...

The lack of integrity or concern in the government agencies I am becoming more familiar with as a result of this endeavor (exposing Narconon) completely baffles me.  I will admit that perhaps I am naive, or perhaps I expect too much of people, but I just don't understand how people, who are presumably good people in other aspects of their lives, who have a responsibility to oversee these facilities can let this happen without making noise and taking action about these wrongs. 

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And it won't be over until the parent group is held accountable for its role in all this, as they will simply spawn more bogus "public betterment" programs.  IMHO.

And I certainly agree with your last paragraph.  That will require action on a national level (possibly an international level, since there are Narconons and Narconon Clones in other countries).  I wonder, would shutting down US operations (Scientology headquarters) be enough, or would they simply move the headquarters to another country? 

It is time for the world to get involved.
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2012, 12:22 »

Report from Marisa Mendelson of FOX 25 News Oklahoma City included video interview with
Senator Tom Ivester

August 17, 2012 - Narconon Arrowhead Legislation Planned
After four deaths linked to a drug treatment facility with ties to the Church of Scientology, a Senator plans to take action. Fox 25 first told you about Narconon Arrowhead in May. Now the facility has inspired a Senator to draft legislation. The center, which is based in the town of Canadian, has also sparked national interest.

Senator Tom Ivester says he plans to work with officials at the Department of Mental Health and Substance Abuse Services to author legislation.

http://youtu.be/93U9Q0312U8
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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2012, 12:33 »
Speaking as moderator:
Obviously, we need a thread dedicated to Narconon Arrowhead, so this weekend I'll work on merging posts from other threads into one.  I'll leave a pointer in this thread to the new one I create.  Please continue Oklahoma discussion here until the new thread is made.

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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2012, 13:29 »
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I wonder, would shutting down US operations (Scientology headquarters) be enough, or would they simply move the headquarters to another country?

The US support of Scientology extends across the pond and the US actually pressures other countries to back off! There is a very telling YouTube that really exposes the depth of Scientology's tendrils.

This is a 5 part playlist from a conference in Hamburg, Germany with Marty Rathbun and Ursula Caberta. To get the jist of how US support affects Germany's efforts to combat the fraud, you can just look at the two parts below. Click on the cc button to get the closed captions for the subtitles:

third video at 3:50
fifth one at 4:20.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_PRqsMJKUg&feature=BFa&list=SP0D0C28C8AE0D23F4
 (The entire sequence is very worthwhile also)

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Re: Rock Center Narconon
« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2012, 12:31 »
Seems an email went out to scientologists urging them to hassle NBC and overwhelm them with messages about how Narconon has saved people.  It's common for scientologists to do letter writing campaigns, all in the name of KSW (Keeping Scientology Working).

Doing some other research, I've run across a pack of "sample letters" either sent, or for supporters to send, to NBC: www.narcononarrowhead.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Sample_Letters_to_NBC.pdf  A lot of them, but not all, seem to be from Narconon Arrowhead employees.

Interesting how Narconon just happens to have a copy of all these letters. 1   8-^* 

Here is also Clark Carr's letter (President of Narconon International):
http://news.narconon.org/response-to-nbc-rockcenter/


1 The "letters" PDF has this meta-data embedded:
Title: Microsoft Word - ashley-s.doc
Author: Sysop
Created: 08/17/12 16:14:32
The PDF includes bookmarks.  ashley-s is the first letter in the pack.
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