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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2010, 00:20 »
Some additional information about heat stroke, a life threatening, medical emergency.
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« Reply #41 on: October 31, 2010, 13:46 »
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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #42 on: October 31, 2010, 15:06 »
Thank you, the one thing that sticks out here is the fact NN doesn't want anyone to think they have any ties to Scientology.Lets take for example Christian rehab. They advertise, they're up front, they want you to know their method. By definition Scientology IS a religion. Agree?

You're welcome. Some agree, some disagree, on the religion point.

If everyone knew during the purchase/marketing phase that they were about to put their loved one into a religious entity, NN would suffer significantly.

Agree. Withholding this information is a deceptive advertising and recruitment method.

NN refutes they have anything to do with Scientology, but they use the Hubbard material. They don't advertise that on their website. What they advertise is the "Hubbard Detox", that part  they don't hide. It's nowhere in the "Our Full Program Description" section at all. I can't find where they disclose the material/methodology they use, can you? Why is this important?
Because if I claim I'm not a religious based rehab, but all of, or most of the material I use is out of the Christian bible, or Jehovah's Witness bible, or the Koran, or Shamanism, or Occultism, or say any other religion, then is this not misrepresentation/Failure to Disclose?

Absolutely. As you are aware, the addict and family are extremely vulnerable in this situation and many times desperate.

I mean it would be like saying we're not a Satanic Cult, but use the Black Bible designed by  followers of Satan. Isn't that what NN does? Don't buyers of the program have a right to know this before they buy? It's designed into the marketing program this way for a reason. Very clever. I'm not to trying to expose they are a religious entity, but for them to disclose their treatment methods. If the general public knew there are rehab centers across the country that contribute to the drug epidemic, I think they would vote to make it mandatory to divulge program methods i.e. 12-Step or prayer. The program method is NOT being disclosed/marketed, only the “Detox Method”.

Buyers have a right to know, but Narconon knows this would drive away potential customers.

Community Access Channels are a way to expose rehab centers that do not disclose their methodology, and bringing to light a lack of standards in the alcohol/drug rehab arena. while not attacking NN directly, it's a way to bring to the attention of unknowing and vulnerable public looking for a treatment center. I still say petition for initiative. Vote!

Getting the word out via Community Access Channels is a very interesting idea. Federal and State agencies seem to be fairly inept at dealing with the problem, despite numerous complaints and allegations of fraud, abuse, poor or non-existent medical supervision, hospitalizations and deaths. 
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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2010, 20:59 »

There may be arguments in society as to alcoholism being a disease or not but it is crystal clear how the United States Government treats the disease of alcoholism;

From National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism (NIAAA)
2. Is alcoholism a disease?
Yes, alcoholism is a disease. The craving that an alcoholic feels for alcohol can be as strong as the need for food or water. An alcoholic will continue to drink despite serious family, health, or legal problems.
Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime; it usually follows a predictable course; and it has symptoms. The risk for developing alcoholism is influenced both by a person's genes and by his or her lifestyle. (See also "Publications," Alcohol Alert No. 30: Diagnostic Criteria for Alcohol Abuse and Dependence.)
4. Can alcoholism be cured?
No, alcoholism cannot be cured at this time. Even if an alcoholic hasn't been drinking for a long time, he or she can still suffer a relapse. Not drinking is the safest course for most people with alcoholism.
From The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention;
What is the difference between alcoholism and alcohol abuse?
Alcohol abuse4 is a pattern of drinking that results in harm to one’s health, interpersonal relationships, or ability to work. Manifestations of alcohol abuse include the following:
•   Failure to fulfill major responsibilities at work, school, or home.
•   Drinking in dangerous situations, such as drinking while driving or operating machinery.
•   Legal problems related to alcohol, such as being arrested for drinking while driving or for physically hurting someone while drunk.
•   Continued drinking despite ongoing relationship problems that are caused or worsened by drinking.
•   Long-term alcohol abuse can turn into alcohol dependence.
Dependency on alcohol, also known as alcohol addiction and alcoholism4, is a chronic disease. The signs and symptoms of alcohol dependence include—
•   A strong craving for alcohol.
•   Continued use despite repeated physical, psychological, or interpersonal problems.
•   The inability to limit drinking.

The U.S. Supreme Court judgment;
This case presents the important question whether punishment may constitutionally be inflicted, pursuant to 647(f) of the California Penal Code, upon a person suffering from the disease of alcoholism-as distinguished from drunkenness or periodic, voluntary overindulgence in intoxicants.

I am contacting the California Drug and Alcohol Program (ADP) to solicit their official stance to the question of disease or not.

If the Federal Government has classified alcoholism as a disease and cannot be cured, can we find out if this is same position that the state governments adhere too.

I believe Narconon advertises it can cure alcoholism, according to the feds can’t be done, what do the states have to say?


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« Reply #45 on: November 10, 2010, 13:05 »

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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #46 on: November 10, 2010, 17:53 »
The duplicate post sent to the Cornfield at the poster's request.  Please continue.

Narconon fails miserably in regard to a recognized standard established by the DSM. (Diagnostic and Statistics Manual for Mental Disorders).
The problems remains, as long as there is no "gold standard" in the psychiatric arena, treatment centers will continue to run unregulated. I'm not one for government control, but this is one area that needs attention. I've left some info here on what I expected before sending my son in for treatment in terms of the type of program acceptable by most in the rehab field.

Society continues with their head in the sand and the debate of whether or not is a choice or a disease remains. The traditional treatment info I sent you will give you a basic understanding of what one should be shooting for when looking for a treatment center. Maybe this can be used in an effort to bring to the public's attention the need for legislation or at the very least awareness. One idea is to move ahead with information that teaches the public what goes on when treatment centers are in it for dubious purposes. NN falls way short of any DSM criteria and public access television stations would be a great way to start a movement. Point is, get smart in regard to what a sound treatment protocol looks like and expose the truth.

Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime

  Thank you! Good work, one more feature of alcoholism/drug addiction is that it is progressive due to an increase in tolerance. This can be compared to other diseases and hence its classification as such. If a person abstains for a number of years after the brain experiences "adaptation" and begins to reuse, the time to return to the same dosages he ended with is normally very short. You've heard the term "he picked up where he stopped"?
This is a very predictable pattern with addiction. In other words, lets say the user takes 10 years to develop full blown addiction. Lets use 1 bottle of whiskey a night as a number. Then the user stops, gets sober and relapses. He wants to control his drinking, so he starts out with 1 or 2 drinks a night. Typically it will be a fairly short period of time and the addict will experience, "tolerance" and "loss of control" to bring him back to the higher number of drinks he was at when he stopped the first time. This shows that addiction is  progressive and chronic by nature. If a person could become addicted, stop and start all over again, without experiencing the need to increase dosage, then it would not be progressive. The fact that it is progressive shows that it is chronic, hence the word "disease". NN absolutely does not use a disease profile.  How many examples are there that differentiates NN from the disease profile and is it illegal?

1. Using the word "student" and not "patient".

2. Using the word "cure". The idea of a cure, or the implication of a cure.
Federal Trade Commission Section 5.Deceptive marketing.
(Thus, the Commission will find deception if there is a representation, omission or practice that is likely to mislead the consumer acting reasonably in the circumstances, to the consumer's detriment).

3.There is no aftercare in Narconon, and at graduation students are said to have learned what they need to live drug and alcohol free lives. Students are not considered to remain in recovery indefinitely as is more commonly assumed within the disease framework of addiction. This lends to the idea of that addiction is not chronic and there is a "cure" for addiction. Chronic disease cannot be cured.

4. NN states that when one relapses it's because they didn't confront their past. No mention of Post Acute Withdrawal or any other physiological condition in regard to brain function changes when they attempt to treat addiction. They only mention this in their marketing. Seems things change dramatically from ad to facility.

5.We endorse the philosophy that drug addiction is the result of bad choices or an inability to deal with specific circumstances and emotion. No mention of a genetic predisposition which is outlined in a disease profile approach.

6.Narconon advocates do not subscribe to the concept of addiction as a disease, and they insist that no further treatment is needed for life after the successful completion of a Narconon rehab.

Question is how far can one go when marketing and/or using a "cure" as a main selling feature of a product or service?

 Here are examples of where NN uses the word cure.
Addicts aren't cured until they can confront and handle the causes of their guilt and depression.

But handling physical cravings alone isn't enough to cure addiction.
Vista Bay employs the proven Narconon drug rehab plan, which has been proven to cure addicts of their substance abuse problems. Yes, you read that right – cure. Many other programs will insist that “once and addict, always an addict.” But vista Bay doesn’t see things that way.
At Narconon we do not believe that curing addiction is possible by simply exchanging one addiction for another.
Using a proven, yet unconventional recover program that combines much-needed vitamins, exercise, and time spent in our sauna, residents at Narconon Vista Bay Rehab receive treatment that has been proven to break and cure even the toughest substance abuse habits.
More than 75% of the Narconon students who have finished the program do in fact cure themselves of their addiction.
What’s The Biggest Barrier To Cure Addiction?
At Narconon we believe an individual can cure him or herself of addiction to alcohol and other drugs through application of the Narconon Program. We have proven this can be done successfully for more than 30 years.
We offer a cure for addiction so you do not have to live life as an addict.
At Narconon we believe an individual can cure him or herself of addiction to alcohol and other drugs through application of the Narconon Program.
How far does the law allow one to go with false claims of a cure?
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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #47 on: November 10, 2010, 23:07 »
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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #49 on: February 09, 2011, 08:03 »
Without commenting to your lawsuit, which lies beyond my expertise, I can only say I hope you will succeed in showing to the court what a scam Narconon  is, and how dangerous the program can be, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

That "do birds fly"-conversation still pops up in my nightmares every now and then, and it has been over 20 years since I was at Narconon. It's just plain crazy, and you are right, it drives people to violence when they have to go through this over and over again, for hours.

Thanks for exposing this fraud for what it is.

Much strength and love, to you and to your son,

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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #51 on: February 09, 2011, 17:53 »
Please keep us informed about how your complaints progress through the various agencies.

The advertising and referral scam is extremely deceptive. The vulnerability of the addict and family in this situation has always concerned me for several reasons.

For the addicted, there is often an urgency about seeking treatment once the decision is made to ask for help. With delay, it is very easy to change one's mind once the withdrawal symptoms begin to set in or "forget" just how bad the situation has truly become.

The family has usually been through the ringer. They are exhausted and desperate for help, too.

So, for me it is not too difficult to understand how people get duped by Narconon.

We really do need better standards for drug treatment in this country.

Thanks for speaking out about your family's experience with Narconon.
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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #52 on: February 09, 2011, 17:55 »
Good idea, Sunshine! Good research!!
I am a volunteer advocate for victims of the Narconon scam. I am a former scientologist. I post anonymously. Mary McConnell is my long time nom de plume. Feel free to contact me for assistance in righting the wrongs.

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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2011, 10:32 »
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This place is a joke and harmful to the very people who need help recovering from addictive thinking! The following is intended for review for those who may be able to help my efforts in recovering payment for services not received.
                                          LETTER OF DISPUTE
      Dear _______________,

       This letter of dispute is in regard to a purchase made on 08-21-2010, to Narconon Southern California, Sunshine Summit Lodge, Warner Springs, San Diego County, California,  in the amount of $29,000.00 for services purchased in regard to  chemical dependence rehabilitation provided by Sunshine Summit Lodge, Narconon Southern California, Warner Springs, in San Diego County..

     Due to circumstances and conditions within the facility, my wife and I chose to pull my son -----, who was enrolled, from the program, on the fifty-third day of treatment in a long term residential in-patient program. The reason we chose to do so  was because we feared for his personal safety, spiritual and emotional well being due to negligence of staff at  Sunshine Summit Lodge, and policy of Narconon southern California.

      My son received an excessive amount of sauna treatment, due to the fact that the person in charge of caring for  students or “Sauna Specialist” forgot my son in the sauna, left my son in the sauna for an extended period of time unattended, thus suffered- heat stroke, followed by Hypoxia (turning blue), nearly losing consciousness.  There were witnesses of both staff and students to this event. It's assumed the  person in charge has no license in regard to medical emergency, due to the fact my son while struggling to stay conscious, was told by the staff in charge, to “go to lunch and wait it out”. According to my son the swimming pool was used to cool down, as standard procedure between sessions, but it had been emptied for repair/cleaning due to  problems. He was later told by Narconon staff to not use the shower, as it would shock his system. This advise was in error as recommended first aid would require immediate cooling of anyone suffering from heatstroke. My son followed instructions given by staff. In addition, please note, compromised critical and  cognitive thinking skills  are a symptom of heat stroke, and my son would  not have been capable of making a sound decision in regard to his own health at that time. The ambient temperatures in Warner Springs were well over 80-90 degrees not allowing him sufficient cool down in regard to first aid.

     After speaking with General Counsel for Narconon,  he claimed that it is not Narconons responsibility to monitor students while in the sauna, when in fact I believe Narconon has a responsibility to monitor progress of every student and it appears they attempt to do this with someone appointed as the “Sauna Specialist”. Temperatures were maintained  around 150-180 degrees according to the thermometer in the sauna. Please note, it is common behavior for recovering addicts to have a “quick fix mentality” that would in cases such as this, increase not only liability to a facility using
sauna as therapy, but could potentially increase the risk of heatstroke for the addict. In other words, if my son was pushing his stay time in the sauna, simply because he wanted to get the toxins out as quickly as possible, then it clearly put him at risk, which is Narconon's direct responsibility and would require monitoring from staff to insure safety. Addicts in early recovery are generally not capable or known for making sound decisions in regard to their own health. General counsel for Narconon also claimed to me per phone conversation, that they have never had an incident of injury to students from sauna treatment, when in fact there are documented cases that prove otherwise. Furthermore, it has come to my attention that there are no established or supported scientific studies that would indicate that sauna induced sweating has any benefit or accelerates the process of toxin removal.

      There are no licensed medical staff on sight.  I was led to believe this was a facility with licensed medical staff on sight, based on website advertising at www. Please note the nurse photo in the “A word from our medical director”, which gives the strong impression to anyone looking for a treatment center that it is a staffed medical facility. This played a role in my decision to place my son in the care of their facility. It would be safe to assume that  anyone searching for a residential care facility would be led to believe they offer medical staff on their premises which was not the case.  Please note, my private Insurance Company,  states in their response to my appeal:  “The facility never had a physician or medical professional on their staff (or consulting) see you. When they did an initial exam, you were sent to an urgent care facility.”

      This substantiates and supports my claim, that even though they give the strong impression of on sight medical staff, there was none, causing negligence on the part of the facility to treat my son in a safe and professional manner, due to the fact that when  a medical emergency occurs at there facility, the initial assessment of whether or not to call for medical aid at their facility is made and determined by non-licensed staff or staff member. Furthermore, even more compelling,  in the Narconon web ad next to the nurse photo in the “A word from our medical director ”,  they clearly mislead the consumer by stating:

 “Our staff includes board-certified physicians and naturopaths with extensive training and experience in nutrition, vitamin and mineral supplementation, herbal therapies, prolotherapy, acupuncture, natural hormone replacement, chelation, intravenous nutrient therapies, and enhanced external counterpulsation (EECP)”.

     Once again, it is not unreasonable to assume that  anyone searching for help, would be misled into believing they have medical staff on sight, while using terminology like “board-certified” when they do not. Particularly when using terminology like “chelation” and “intravenous nutrient therapies”. Board Certified in this case, only means the person has graduated the Narconon/L. Ron Hubbard program, which is the Scientology based program. I would challenge Narconon to provide evidence that anyone at the Warner Springs facility had those credentials and training with license or degrees while my son was attending. The caregivers at this facility are NOT licensed professionals, as this ad leads you to believe. The distortion lies in the fact that most, if not all treatment centers have licensed care practitioners on sight, which is normally assumed by the consumer, to deal with complications such as acute withdrawal and seizure when sending a loved one to a chemical dependency treatment center. I ask, would any reasonable person not assume if one is sending someone to treat disease, that there would be licensed medical staff on sight?  I don't believe it is uncommon for anyone to think they will see a nurse or doctor when walking into a clinic or hospital.   

     Chemical Dependency/Alcoholism is after all, classified a disease by The National Institute on Drug Abuse-NIDA.  Addiction is defined as a chronic, relapsing brain disease that is characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, despite harmful consequences. It is considered a brain disease because drugs change the brain; they change its structure and how it works. These brain changes can be long lasting and can lead to many harmful, often self-destructive, behaviors. Common knowledge therefore, predicates the assumption of disease management when searching for a care facility.

      Narconon misleads the consumer into thinking  they offer medical professionals by their advertising, but they use the word “professional” in a distorted manner as they base that on advertising that statements such as, ...”with extensive training and experience in nutrition “. Nothing could be further from the truth, as the inconsistency of dosages of Niacin given by their staff range greatly from Narconon treatment center to treatment center across the United States, and this shows a lack of control and professionalism. The lack of control in dosages is only one example of misguided and unprofessional policy, but would lend to the idea that the person  responsible in control of Niacin, hands out dosages at whatever whim they decide. It is documented that their facilities administer Niacin at extremely high rates that put the recovering addict at risk. Narconon's claim that their use of Niacin at rates as high as a single dose are intended to immobilize lipids and aid in faster detoxification rates is nothing more than junk science.

     Again, their use of misleading and false information is used to give the impression they are at the cutting edge of drug treatment therapy's when in fact there is solid scientific research that proves the opposite. Largely, studies show the use of  Niacin at high doses  is of  no benefit to detoxification for drugs and alcohol and in many cases harmful, which is the consensus of the medical community. 

      Not only is this deceptive and false advertising that needs attention from all agencies involved and addressed, but I also believe Narconon goes out of their way to avoid disclosing their treatment methodology, simply because their concept directly contradicts the accepted disease approach of treating addiction appropriately.

   I believe the effort to bring to light Narconons deception is important because false marketing and failure to disclose, often targets a very vulnerable segment of our population -- those suffering from serious or confounding health conditions and diseases such as chemical addiction.

     Unfortunately, the inappropriate and ineffective approach to drug treatment along with deceptive marketing that Narconon uses, goes largely unnoticed by the consumer who pays $20,000-$30,000 for treatment, and more importantly by agencies responsible for enforcement of quality care. One reason Narconon is allowed to continue, is simply because drug addiction is complicated, misunderstood by laymen, and can be difficult  to treat. Most outside of the treatment care arena don't carry the
knowledge in respect to sound rehabilitation therapy protocol, or don't know whats required to obtain a “quality recovery”. For this reason I believe Narconon takes advantage of the unsuspecting and unknowledgeable with the tactics they use.

      In addition the FTC requires that a  proof requirement be met, in order for deceptive marketing to occur, which I believe, I prove as follows:

To establish that an advertisement is false, a plaintiff must prove five things: (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. The most heavily weighed factor is the advertisement's potential to injure a customer. The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. False statements can be defined in two ways: those that are false on their face and those that are implicitly false.
    Heatstroke is an acute medical emergency for which their facility failed to treat with first aid, as there was no licensed  medical staff on sight to properly deal with his condition, nor did they provide any follow up care. This came to my attention, at a  later date from my son, as the staff failed to notify me of what had transpired at their facility. This occurred partially because of Narconons inability to provide emergency health care by licensed staff. It is my contention, given the circumstances that occurred with heatstroke, they did not and could not administer appropriate care,
while leading me,  the consumer to believe the contrary. Had Narconon been able to provide my son with adequate first aid in rapid cool down, the potential for complications caused by extended elevated core temperatures would have been avoided. There is no question of the severity of his condition when he turned color. The students who witnessed his condition later said “----- we thought we were going to lose you, you looked real bad”.

       The second issue of concern, was after another student,  was released from the Warner Springs facility on leave of absence. This same student returned after his LOA with a substance and shared with my son and one other student, while undergoing treatment as a resident for chemical dependency.

This is a failure to perform services for which I paid and negligence on the  part of  Narconon Southern California to provide a  safe environment and  including protection from the very thing for which he is being treated. In this instance, Narconon failed in protecting their students from drugs entering their facility.  This incident occurred on approximately the 48th day of stay and it  was brought to my attention by S.S.L. Staff on the next day my son had used a substance called “Spice”, a mind altering form of synthetic chemicals.

     My wife and I made arrangements and prepared to drive the 1,300 mile trip to retrieve my son and place him into another facility, as this was the final straw in regard to his safety and it became apparent to us the type of facility he was in. He is currently undergoing treatment in an outpatient facility capable of  providing quality care.
       The third area of concern is the fact that Narconon Southern California has a maximum occupancy of  30 patients (students) as listed in the Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs Licensing and Certification Division Status Report for the State of California, San Diego County, expiring 03-31-2012. This listing can be found here:
   From the time of enrollment throughout his stay for 53 days, my son resided with approximately double the the students allowed under the listing of Narconon Sunshine Summit Lodge. This is clearly in Breach of Contract as they are unable to provide services for which I paid in a proper and efficient manner due to over occupancy. The total number does not include staff and puts them even further over the number allowed.

      The fourth area of concern was that my son was exposed to a profane, degrading and abusive language. The verbal abuse came from the staff, who is in charge of care. The fact that someone goes in for drug treatment that is emotionally challenged during this time faces this type of treatment is despicable. This occurred after the he engaged in and was reported using drugs on the premises and when the staff was informed we were on our way to remove him from the program. As a consequence, the staff chastised him, using foul and profane language, screaming in his face, while degrading him as a person. This is just one more example of how unprofessional the staff at this facility was and in violation of code I  am providing below. He was then pulled from the classes, forced into manual labor on the premises, cleaning weeds from a field for the remaining days, for 12  hours/day. No where does any quality care center use the “labor tactic” as a treatment protocol. Forcing someone into manual labor for free is an unacceptable treatment protocol by any standard. This common   practice is Narconon's position that this is not punishment, but standard procedure known as “ethics”.

   Please note their staff consists merely of students who have passed the program, requiring no licensed certification in drug rehab counseling. They claim the student needs to “think about what he has done”.  Didn't the student get into drug addiction because of his best thinking in the first place?  It's outrageous to think that a student should be left to sort out his issues on his own. This only increases the shame one has for himself when dealing with addiction. Recovering addicts are extremely vulnerable at the stage he was in and was at risk emotionally for relapse due to unacceptable treatment and excessive pressure from the staff.  This cannot be considered acceptable therapy by any measure.

  It's just a way for staff to get work around the facility done while calling it therapy. I consider the time spent at S.S.L. a set-back and harmful to my son's recovery.

      The fifth area to address is that my son was promised he could attend church services, but was denied because he is Seventh Day Adventist and he was told they do not provide rides to church service on Saturday. He was given the opportunity to attend Catholic church services on Sunday. He is not Catholic and this is clearly in violation of the codes I have provided. He was not provided services for which I paid. 

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Re: Purification induced heatstroke
« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2011, 10:46 »
Please note (2),(4) and (6) in the codes below.

Barclays Official California Code of Regulations Currentness
Title 9. Rehabilitative and Developmental Services
Division 4. Department of Alcohol and Drug Programs
Chapter 5. Licensure of Residential Alcoholism or Drug Abuse Recovery or Treatment Facilities
Subchapter 3. Compliance Requirements
Article 3. Program Services
 § 10569. Personal Rights.

(a) Each resident shall have personal rights which include, but are not limited to, the following:
(1) The right to confidentiality as provided for in Title 42, Subchapter A, Part 2 Sections 2.1 through 2.67-1, Code of Federal Regulations.

(2) To be accorded dignity in personal relationships with staff and other persons.

(3) To be accorded safe, healthful and comfortable accommodations to meet his or her needs.

(4) To be free from intellectual, emotional and/or physical abuse.

(5) To be informed by the licensee of the provisions of law regarding complaints including but not limited to the address and telephone number of the department.

(6) To be free to attend religious services or activities of his or her choice and to have visits from a spiritual advisor provided that these services or activities do not conflict with facility program requirements. Participation in religious services will be voluntary only.

(b) All residents shall be personally advised of, and given at admission, a copy of the rights specified in (a)(1) through (6) above.

NOTE: Authority cited: Section 11834.50, Health and Safety Code. Reference: Sections 11834.01 and 11834.50, Health and Safety Code.

      The sixth area, which is of grave concern, has to do with the material being used provided by Narconon southern California. This involves  Internet Fraud, Failure to Disclose and Deceptive Marketing Practices. The material being used and it's the only material to treat students for chemical dependency are books written by author and Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. This was never, disclosed during the discussion we had with S.S.L. Narconon, at the time of signing, nor is it mentioned in their “OUR  FULL PROGRAM DESCRIPTION” section that can be found on their web page. Please refer to The only mention of  L. Ron Hubbard, has to do with the sauna detox program developed by him. If we as parents with Christian beliefs, faith and values had been advised or at the very least, given some indication of the material being used and the treatment methodology before the program started, we would have never  enrolled  my son into this process.  It is clearly against our religious belief as a family and feel we were taken advantage of  by them in desperate and dire circumstances. Even though they  vehemently deny they have anything to do with Scientology, the  material they use and prescribe cannot not be denied.  It is all books and material written by L. Ron  Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.  They also boast of an astonishing success rate (80% or better!).  Narconon is based entirely on the works and  teachings of Scientology founder, L. Ron Hubbard, and they use a two pronged approach of saunas  and education to “cure” addicts from their dependencies. Narconon advocates do not subscribe to the concept of addiction as a disease, and they insist that no further treatment is needed for life after the successful completion of a Narconon rehab.  The concepts they use are completely oppositional to chemical dependency treatment protocols accepted in the  professional behavioral health arena.

  Commanding ashtrays to  “stand up”! In a loud voice without reservation, is one example of the bizarre methods they use. The training routines being used are so far disconnected in terms of value, and bizarre by nature that it's obvious this is nothing more than a program designed to benefit Narconon and those they recruit.

      Narconon seems also to be an indoctrination ground for Scientology, and they prey on the vulnerable battling with addiction to increase their numbers and finances.  They do not offer what they promise, and they may do more harm than good. Here are examples of what my son experienced during his stay.  After the "cleansing ritual" for the body follows the "purification of the spirit." The first session for beginners consists of sitting and staring each other in the eye for an hour. After that they  partake in a nonsensical dialogue. For example:

Student: Do birds fly?
Student: Yes
Student: Thanks. Do birds fly?
Student: No
Student: Thanks. Do birds fly?
Student: Maybe.
  The "dialogue" is repeated for hours and hours each day. In an "advanced" exercise, the student   stands before a blank wall.
Student Assistant: Look at this wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Go over to the wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Touch the wall.
Student: Thank you.
Student Assistant: Turn around.
Student: Thank you.
  Then on to the next wall. The ritual continues up to eight hours a day.
  The monotonous courses go on until the "student" has an experience of "awakening."
   The  TR's (training routines) are then executed trough out the program using the work of L. Ron Hubbard as the base material. There are no other alternatives within the  program. As a consequence, my son was placed in a “no win” situation to either be force fed the  material or face negative

  consequences known as “ethics”. This was executed by the staff in an profane and angry manner on a daily basis. In fact my son witnessed students retaliating with violence (an awakening) after becoming so distressed from the repetitive TR's,  and it was only after these displays of angry and violent outbursts, either damaging walls or throwing chairs, that the students were passed in recognition of their behavior.  Some chose to resist engaging in the TR's and were then passed, able to move forward to the next book in the program. This organization promotes and incites violent behavior. The stay for my son was beyond difficult as this program  directly challenged  his core religious beliefs. It wasn't until I began to research who L. Ron Hubbard was, which took time, that I was able to discover how the organization operates.  A big part of the problem with Narconon is that at first glance what they say seems very reasonable, seems scientific, and they seem to offer a very legitimate and relatively affordable way to rehab off of drugs or alcohol, but they are not forthcoming with what their philosophy was, what  materials they use, and what their program consisted of.  I regret I didn't listen to my sons requests to look into who they are sooner after his admission. Because of deceptive marketing, I was led to believe everything to the contrary in respect to what kind of methodology is being used and what to expect. I was even told,  by Narconon representative that the 12-step program does not work for the particular drug(s) my son was using as a main selling point. They also told me that group therapy does not work for Meth and Opiate addiction. Their attempt in this case was to sell me on the idea that they use alternative treatment therapy's with 70%-80% success rates. I know now these numbers are inflated and conventional mainstream rehab  centers use figures closer to 2%-20% success rates. I should have seen that as a red flag, but I was desperate, the very thing narconon capitalizes on.

     By this time with everything that had transpired within the facility, it was time to remove my son from the program and place him into a facility that did not use materials designed by L. Ron Hubbard, founder of Scientology.

      The last area, has to do with flat out deceptive marketing and failure to disclose. On the website in the “A word from our medical director” section at, there is a photo of a nurse with a lab coat, stethoscope and clipboard, giving anyone intending to use their service, the impression  they have certified medical staff on sight. They do not. In fact in the event of a medical emergency, they contact emergency services off sight. This is clearly deceptive marketing, as the only people who are “specialists” are students who graduated the Narconon program and have become members of the organization and are in no way equipped to interpret the possibility of seizure, delirious, cardiac arrhythmia, or hallucinations, that are phenomena associated with the cessation of drugs. There  is also a potential risk of the reported re-experience of the abused drug effect during the sauna sweat out program, may be the result of misinterpreted symptoms of hyperthermia or electrolyte imbalance which is what happened to my son. Moreover, the multiple findings of fact entered by individual drug and alcohol program board's across the country, establish that Narconon's program is not safe. It is clear, had I been  informed before hand and understood, the unprofessional, untrained and dangerous program my son was entering, I would have looked else where. They are incredibly efficient at marketing deception and this lured my wife and I into something other than what we where told it would be. Every consumer has an undeniable right in this country to protection from indiscriminate violators using deceptive marketing tactics to lure in the unsuspecting. As stated by the Federal Trade Commission in sec. 5, “ The basic question is whether the act or practice is likely to affect the consumer's conduct or decision with regard to a product or service”.

     There  is a sharp contrast from internet ad to inside the facility. Two examples of living poor conditions were brown drinking water and only one washing machine in service for 50+ students. An example of Narconons program was when my son had other students smoking in his room and he couldn't keep them out. Tyler is a nonsmoker. When he complained to staff about his dilemma, they told him to tell them to “F--- off” and “get the F--- out. What happened to being assertive? What kind of social skills do they train? None. This is not what I paid for.

  Once again, examples of a low class, unprofessional environment run by people that know nothing about addiction management. Only the work of LRH.

      Narconons program clearly is dangerous for those seeking help for a progressive and chronic disease, while leaving the afflicted without the help they need. The drug treatment program offered by Narconon, is an experimental treatment and not proven safe or effective and is not in accord with the highest standards accepted in medical practice. No scientifically well-controlled independent, long-term outcome studies can be found that directly and clearly establish the effectiveness of the Narconon program for the treatment of chemical dependency and the more credible evidence establishes Narconon's program is not effective.

     The Narconon program does not conform to the principles of traditional chemical dependency treatment as stated by my private health insurance. Here are examples of what is considered an acceptable, traditional program protocol within the criteria limits outlined by my private health insurance.

  I. Addiction/Alcoholism Defined
Addiction is a condition in which a person develops bio-psycho-social dependence on any mood-altering substance.
Addicts use for the effects or short-term gratification.
The addicted person uses the drug to relieve the pain created by using the drug.
Hereditary: Genetic factors.
Developmental: Childhood neglect, physical, emotional, and/or sexual abuse.
Environmental: Drug use and accompanying behaviors.
Mood Disorders/Personality Disorders/Substance Abuse.
Progression of Dependency
Short-Term Gratification
Long-Term Pain
Addictive Thinking
Increases Tolerance
Loss of Control
Bio-psycho-social Damage
Drug Classification/Drugs of Abuse
Neurotransmitters and brain chemistry
Physical withdrawal vs. mental 
II. Recovery Dynamics
Beginnings of AA and the origin of the steps.
12-Step fellowships
Recovery Stages
Pre-treatment: Recognizing the problem
Stabilization: Withdrawal and Crisis management.
Early Recovery: Acceptance and non-chemical coping
Middle Recovery: Balanced Living
Late Recovery: Personality Change
Maintenance: Growth and Development
Powerlessness and Unmanageability
Define powerlessness’ two components.
mental obsession
physical cravings
Relate addicts’ powerlessness to family dynamics.
Unmanageability: “The Life Circle”
Instinct-cognitive-behavioral model
III. Family Dynamics
Family systems: natural social systems, organized power structure; assigned roles, intricate forms of communication
The Diseased family
Anger: displaced anger
C. Family roles: survival roles; roles can change with time
Chief enabler
Family hero
Family scapegoat
Lost child
Family mascot
Family rules: 1-10
System Dynamics
Review chart of survival roles, predominant feelings, etc.
Changing role behaviors
Effects of addiction on the Family; family where chemical dependency is prevalent tend to be dysfunctional even before onset of addiction
Codependency: the whole family becomes addicted to the dysfunctional family system.
Codependency messages 1-25
Resultant feelings & dynamics: stress, anger, displaced anger, denial, frustration, depression, fear, tension, rejection, blame, hurt, “no talk rules”, control issues, isolation, compulsion, mistrust, suspicion, enabling behaviors...both ways, etc.
IV. Relapse Prevention
Developmental Model of Recovery
Post Acute Withdrawal Symptoms
Relapse Warning Signs
Daily Relapse Prevention Plan
Mistaken Beliefs About Recovery
Functional Analysis of Triggers
V. Process Groups
Processing of Emotions
Interpersonal Communication
Projection and Identification
Social Anxiety
Types of Process Groups
Psychotherapy groups: Checking in with clients, encouraging discussion among group members.
Gender Groups: Clients are split into male/female and gender specific issues are processed.
Feelings: Teaching clients to identify and positively cope with emotions.
Letting go: Identifying situations and relationships that are impeding one’s recovery.
Managing high stress situations: Identifying high stress situations, developing a positive coping mechanism and strategies for dealing with them successfully.
Facades: Identifying and understanding the masks used as defensive mechanisms.
Communication Skills: Discovering positive communication methods and developing interpersonal skills.
CBT Cognitive Behavioral Therapy group. Understanding how thoughts produce emotions and emotions determine behaviors. Challenging maladaptive schemes.
VI. Mood Disorder Group: is an interactive psycho-educational group for the purpose of educating clients about dual diagnosis. The goal is for clients to understand and be better able to deal with the presented disorder(s). Also, the client's own strengths, resources and coping skills are reinforced, in order to avoid relapse and contribute to their own health and wellness on a long-term basis.
Example topics and processes are as follows:
Symptoms of mood disorders such as, Depression and Bipolar, as well as other DSM-IV disorders commonly associated with Substance Abuse.
Effect of alcohol and drug abuse on brain chemistry
Treatment options
Recommended behavioral solutions to increase coping skills
VII. Traditional Group: is a process group focusing on the fundamentals of AA/NA meetings and the process of working the steps. The goal is to meet clients where they are in this process and familiarize them with AA/NA program. Clients will be given opportunity to disclose their current work on steps 1, 2, and possibly step 3, and any difficulty they may be having. Also, clients can work through ambivalence about going to meetings and getting a sponsor as recommended for aftercare.
VIII. Changes In Recovery

 This group is designed on the Transtheoretical Model of Change which allows clients to create a strategy to facilitate change. This group focuses on:
Effective refusals
Managing thoughts and emotions
Developing an Action Plan
Social Support
IX. Life Skills
Nutritional & Physical Exercise
Employment & Finances
Communication Skills
Conflict Resolution
Decision Making Skills
Stress Management/Relaxation
Goal Setting/Time Management
Support Systems/Work & Family Life

  Narconon does not address addiction management from an acceptable scientific approach, nor did they inform me of the bizarre methods used. They do not address addiction management from a disease approach. I did not expect to pay for pseudoscience and this is what I was sold.
  Narconon does a very good job of hiding who they are in marketing their program to the point of “bait and switch”. It's beyond belief these people are allowed to continue to stay in business.

  Please note that there are additional complaints being prepared at this time for further consideration.
   I am filing a formal/written complaint to the California Department of Alcohol Drug Programs for review , The FBI-Internet Fraud Dept.
   I have filed a complaint with  The Federal Trade Commission under section 5,  FTC Ref. No. 28171264.

   I will be contacting my State Representatives on behalf of insufficient legislation in regard to these matters. Please note that Narconon is not affiliated with Narcotics Anonymous.
  I am in contact with Narconon demanding a full refund in the amount of $29,000.00 for the cost of treatment..
  At this time I am disputing this transaction based on the reasons as follows:
2.Failure to Disclose/Deception
3.Internet Fraud
4.Breach of Contract   
5.Medical Malpractice                                     

Yes, I'm also preparing a complaint to the California ADP. There are numerous violations they're guilty of and refuse to take responsibility. The longer this drags out the bigger it gets, I just want a refund so I can treat my son in a facility that can keep substances out of the hands of addicts while they're in treatment! Why would anyone want to pay $30,000 for a loved one to go into to treatment and use drugs? He could have stayed home and done that for free!

Have you filed your complaint with the California ADP?
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Purifcation Induced Heatstroke
« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2011, 21:00 »
It appears another person has been silenced.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to get their money back from Narconon, but I am sickened by these gag agreements.

This man's son almost died.

The title of this thread was originally "Purification Induced Heatstroke."

Fortunately, a few of us managed to quote some of his posts and ethercat was able to reformat some of what was posted.
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Re: Purifcation Induced Heatstroke
« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2011, 21:11 »
It appears another person has been silenced.

I can't blame anyone for wanting to get their money back from Narconon, but I am sickened by these gag agreements.

This man's son almost died.

The title of this thread was originally "Purification Induced Heatstroke."

Fortunately, a few of us managed to quote some of his posts and ethercat was able to reformat some of what was posted.

Yes, in fact, the title as "N" looks so peculiar, I'm wondering if I should edit the original title back in...  Or is it more intriguing as it is?  Opinions anyone?

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Re: N
« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2011, 21:35 »
I think the original title needs to be there.  If nothing else, it will help direct searches to the thread, and this can stand as a clear example of how Scientology hides its criminal activity.

The entire ordeal is sickening. Scientology and its front groups (I'm tempted to add some links to help Google make the association, if you know what I mean) are allowed to silence critics -- and legally, at that.  It's absolutely sickening.

It's why the rest of us should refuse silence.

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Re: N
« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2011, 21:44 »
Narconon Practicing Medicine Without a Licence?

Video has been uploaded to Youtube a few minutes ago. Will post here
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Re: N
« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2011, 21:47 »
Narconon Practicing Medicine Without a Licence?

Video has been uploaded to Youtube a few minutes ago. Will post here
when it is finished processing.

Here it is:

The state Supreme Court has ruled that even treatments that involve non-prescription drugs, vitamins or foods constitute unlicensed practice if they're offered by a person who lacks a doctor's license or state approval to work as a homeopathic physician or nutritionist. "The overarching concern is there are licenses required in this state for being involved in nutrition and dietitian practices as well as medicine," said Grossman, the assistant attorney general.

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